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gene could you possibly talk about this

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they starts by the way with the mystery

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blooms yeah we've heard stock markets

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cast calm now in last week's episode

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after the power cast I assigned Chris

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O'Brien to bring us Rea Stanford but

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it's gonna take a while longer to get

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him ready for the show

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what's going on well hmm I think Ray is

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taking exception to some of the folks on

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the on the podcast forums and how

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they're using innuendo and what if type

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rationale to I think suggests that Ray

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is a charlatan

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that he's a government agent that he's

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not above board and honest they're

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insinuating that his character is

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unstable and his involvement in the 701

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movie project has been curtailed let's

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go to that very quickly here we know

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that James Fox who was the producer of

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the 701 the movie spent several days

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with race Stanford and evidently was

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very impressed but one of the producers

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know him sort of he had a few words with

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Ray is that how it went on they you know

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I made the mistake of suggesting that

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the two of them talked on the phone

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because there was some misunderstanding

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about an aspect of the show that was

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going to include the la madeira sighting

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that happened allegedly the day after

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which Ray was convinced was a hoax

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Tracy was not the two of them did not

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agree to disagree

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ray being the very mercurial you know

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very thin-skinned in many ways and you

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pretty much told Tracy that it was all

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you know a bunch of BS and not to waste

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your time Tracy took exception to that

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and they just they did not agree to

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disagree and agree did not talk to each

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other well you know they both Ray felt

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that Tracy wasn't showing him the amount

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of respect that he's due tracy assured

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me that he was very respectful allowed

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to talk didn't try to cut him off and

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then Ray said he did the exact opposite

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I tried to arrange a call between the

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two of them a three-way and it just

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evolved from there and you know I've

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known Tracy for well over 20 years and

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I've never seen him get angry and he

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really got upset about it he felt that

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Ray was calling him a liar and Ray said

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well you're you're calling me a liar

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because you did cut me off and it's just

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like you know it the sandbox got a

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little cluttered with some emotion there

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and unfortunately you know Ray's just uh

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he feels that he's due you know certain

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amount of respect he didn't feel he

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received it from Tracy Tracy being the

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consummate professional it's hard for me

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to believe that he didn't afford ray

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that that respect I I have a hard time

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believing it but Ray insists he didn't

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insists he did and there we go you know

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they both they both have kind of

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entrenched in their particular points of

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view and what can you do I you know I

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it's an amazing thing that I've been

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able to to hang in there with Ray and

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and call him on some things and you know

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try to try to you know read him the

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writing on the wall when it comes to his

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playing with other kids his social

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interactions and you know he does have a

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habit of putting his foot in his mouth

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in a way that I think is unintentional

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and innocent but at the same time people

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take home runs to it and and this was a

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perfect example of that and it's not the

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first time so it's just amazing to me

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I've been able to still maintain a

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fairly close relationship with a man

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even though you know I've you know

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really had him pretty angry at me at

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times so contrary to what people

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insinuate on the forums

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I don't believe everything that Ray's

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Stanford says I don't believe any of it

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I can just recognize good scientific and

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analytical work which is totally being

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denigrated and denied by the naysayers

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on the forum simply because there they

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have not been exposed to the width and

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breadth and depth of the of the work

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that he's done such as Ben Moss myself

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Toni Angela and others who have spent

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the time with Ray they they know that

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they're looking at a genuine

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groundbreaking work what are the two

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guys names again

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well Ben Moss is a MUFON investigator in

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I think Maryland or Virginia I'm not

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sure I think Maryland and is on on the

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show hangar 1 his appearances are one of

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the few things about the show I think

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that are that are pretty good Ben is a

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pretty passionate guy himself and he's

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kind of getting into it on the forums

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and I'm I'm uh you know I'm gonna have

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to kind of try to ratchet things down

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there ray just is very controversial I

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think in many people's minds and the

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fact that he won't release his

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information on some somebody else's whim

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or wish for entertainment value does not

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sit well with many people and obviously

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a few of our foreign posters take that

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frustration and and then blow it into

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this whole you know personal attacks on

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Ray and it's gonna stop very soon

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I've been sitting on the sidelines for

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the past few days about it but Ray is

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the real deal and I don't care what

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anybody says I've said this so many

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times I sound like a broken record and

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when he's ready to release his

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information he will and you just got to

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be patient and you you the more you slag

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the man and the more you denigrate him

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in his character the less likely it is

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that he's going to present it in a way

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that you're going to be happy with so if

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it's just held back for the scientific

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community that will be one of the main

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reasons why obviously this is this if

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it's get really it gets released in any

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form it'll eventually make it and out

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into the public but you're just gonna

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have to wait longer the more you slagged

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a man the angrier you make him and the

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less likely he is to to allow everybody

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to see this stuff in a you know in a

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quicker timely manner

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now the impression I get here is if he

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continues to be slagged flamed attacked

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and the power cast forums yeah he won't

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he's not gonna really want to come on

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the show because why do that and then

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put himself in front of the public and

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be abused now that he here is that we

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want freedom in the forums people are

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free to express their point of view

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people are free to disagree with race

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somebody's motives and you get

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this wackiness well he must be a

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government agent just argue over the

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facts now I know that we have a lot of

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posts in our forums about race Stanford

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in the past week or two Chris is going

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to go through them a few people are

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going to be told just scale it back be

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respectful

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yeah criticize them I know at times here

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on the power cast we have to go after

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guests as we did with last week's

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episode featuring margie kay but I think

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we did it in a respectful fashion and

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that's the whole thing here that has to

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be emphasized so by the way before we

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get to Micah Hanks I would mention that

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Margie Kay did write to me and she is at

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least considering now at long last the

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problems with He Who Shall Not Be Named

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and Billy Meyer and that's all I'm going

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to say Micah Hank's coming up next with

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Gene and Christian deliver cast so

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here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it took

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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personal site you'll want to know it's

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easy to run and it will stay online at

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iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

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most reliable networks in the world talk

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to a sales rep at iWeb calm use the

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promo code tech night out for a special

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discount first game attack of the

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Rockets and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there's the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

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it's our Ock oids calm thousands of

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people seeking home security get ripped

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off every day and the home security

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industry wants you to believe that's

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your only option

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they've got hordes of salesmen out there

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trying to scare you into signing one of

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their long term contract

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you get stuck writing huge checks month

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after month with no way out it's robbery

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by contract and it can cost you

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thousands but there's a better way to

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certainly not in my 22 years in the

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industry the dollar has lost over 90

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percent of its value in the last 60

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years

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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government printing presses ours is not

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always informative always provocative

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when we bring on Micah Hanks of the gray

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lien report a round of applause mica

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welcome back guys always good to be here

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with you there that's enough okay

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actually I have some great sound effects

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of applause I used to use on the tech

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night I live in the early years I have

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not brought it out because I have to

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bring out the booze and the cat calls

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just before we started this episode we

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were talking about provocative things

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that we just briefly mentioned Donald

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Trump and we're doing this a few hours

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before his debut as a debater on the Fox

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primary with nine of the presidential

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candidates but just think now how our

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presidential campaigns Myka Hanks have

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become equivalent to rustling matches

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yeah they really pretty much have you've

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got rankings of course like for instance

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tonight the Republican debate that I'm

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gonna miss because I'm gonna be

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performing with my band in the next town

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over but I'm sure I'll watch it I'll

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watch all the debates and this is gonna

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be several days ago by the time you hear

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this right yes sir for those listening

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yeah exactly but but you're right there

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tears for instance those who didn't make

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it as finalists to the primary debate

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they're gonna have kind of like a

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loser's bracket that occurs earlier in

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the afternoon and and then you know you

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we've got people like this is you've

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mentioned prior to to air Donald Trump

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who's very enigmatic since it's the para

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cast I think he almost qualifies in and

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of himself as being something of an

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enigma because first of all nobody seems

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to really know what to make of him he's

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obviously loud

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he's outspoken he's been called on the

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carpet somewhat for being a flip-flopper

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but nonetheless somebody who is managing

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to surge in the polls i I'm undecided on

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Trump I find him both interesting and

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also a little disconcerting I think a

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lot of us do and and that's not you know

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that's not an admonishment or an

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endorsement it's just stating the facts

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this is a very unusual election that

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shaping up even so early on so many of

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these bodies

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there and I was calculating before we go

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into any further discussion for to our

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show ten guests 120 minutes that means

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minus commercials and other

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announcements maybe 10 minutes per

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candidate so that's all they have to

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present their point of view and explain

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why they should be elected president of

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the United States 10 minutes now Donald

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Trump is an expert at doing that because

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he's a consummate TV performer these

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other people maybe in every way superior

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in terms of ability knowledge point of

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view whatever it's not going to matter

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it's all about the show but there you go

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it's a reality show nation right now and

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the same thing for us is true for

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coverage of UFOs or anything so we argue

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about these TV shows that tend to be

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less than factual designed to be more

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entertaining and that's what news is

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nowadays it's just the show no

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absolutely gene I don't know if you saw

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earlier today on social media either

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you're psychic or you saw what I put up

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because I was Randy actually I'm psycho

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but that's different well you and I are

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usually a very like mind anyway so you

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know maybe it doesn't have to be either

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of the three but but I'm seven times

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older than he is so it's kind of

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difficult well in earth years at least

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right space brother does not compute I

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come from friends there you go oh you're

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a conehead now I thought that was a

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sasquatch don't we referring to the

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sagittal crest but anyway you know

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they're actually doing conehead

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commercials the original cast for I

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don't know one of the insurance

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companies really I'm not surprised

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yeah I think it's about Danny boys now

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he weighs about four times as much as he

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did then yeah I just wonder who the

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first of the Republican wannabes are

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going to use Trump's line from The

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Apprentice on him that he's fired

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oh there's probably odds in Vegas on

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that absolutely as a matter of fact

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Chris there should be a drinking game

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designed around that just to see how

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many times that comes up in relation to

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this debate or anything that follows

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thereafter well they're learning how the

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UFO field behaves yeah oh yeah

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absolutely

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you know what's interesting guys is back

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was it I guess the 2008 election I mean

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there was a lot of discussion of UFOs in

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relation to I guess it was more the

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Democratic debates because we had Dennis

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Kucinich who had claimed I think on the

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day of the birth of oh gosh was it

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Shirley MacLaine he had been there and

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he steps out wasn't her birth by the way

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I think it was was it one of her

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children or one of his I don't recall

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but he stepped out onto a balcony and

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claimed he saw one of these you know

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classic triangle-shaped UFOs kind of

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like a tr3 when there was a gosh what

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was the Governor of New Mexico you

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remember his name

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Brett Johnson yeah and talking about how

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we needed full disclosure on what may or

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may not have happened at Roswell and

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whatnot we had Barack Obama respond

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family to the question where he said

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look I don't know if we have intelligent

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life out there but I know that there is

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intelligent life on Earth and I remember

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when he said that thinking well that's

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debatable to let's just be fair whether

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or not there's life on Earth that might

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be debatable too well if it is it's it's

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pretty few and far between I think in in

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relationship to well never mind I don't

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want to go there how can we actually get

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anywhere in learning anything about UFOs

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if it's all for the show is that a

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reference by chance to any television

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programs that are currently running on

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the various networks how about all of

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them yeah I know you know I've got

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friends you guys do too who appear on

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those programs I generally don't

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actually I'm I'm not exaggerating here I

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think Chris knows too because he not

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talked at length about this right

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you know I've probably turned down more

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interviews on TV shows than I have been

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accepted to be on interviews on

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television shows which are few and far

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between and I think there are two

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reasons why because a I don't like the

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presentation on the shows or when the

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producers contact me they reject me

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because of the views that I expressed

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during the the pre-taping call I and

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yeah and I know many of us too who have

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actually gone on shows and then they

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don't like the way that they've been

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presented I won't name names but I got a

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good friend who was asked specifically

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to put on a coat and - I guess to put it

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nicely clean up his appearance before he

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could make an appearance on one of the

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popular television programs dealing with

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the subject and he told him no I'm not

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going to do that because if you think

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that that brings any more credibility to

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the program have all your expert

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sitting there wearing coats and some of

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your listeners can probably can just

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guess who that particular person is yes

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I'll just say this gentleman has a very

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non conformist attitude about things and

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his manner of dress bespeaks that which

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is wonderful that's what we do that's

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what makes him a character and yeah and

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to say that no I'm not gonna put on that

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coat I think it provides some great

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commentary about where these shows are

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going we don't care if we're credible or

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not as long as we look like we're

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educated in and the opinions that we

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express are coming from a more academic

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perspective whether or not that's really

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the case well we have one particular TV

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news network where the female anchors

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must always wear very short skirts if

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they wear pants suits they'll be thrown

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off the air or very close to it they'll

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get a nasty memo from the head of that

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Network I will not mention which one

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that is now another area where of course

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you see a lot of wackiness or a lot of

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outrageousness is a forum like we have

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forum

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dr. Peres cast calm the power cast forms

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I think we're one of the best forms for

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paranormal discussions online but still

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you have people get in there and they

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posture and they participate and they

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play games role-playing games and they

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try to have fun or something sometimes

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at the expense of other people and

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sometimes it doesn't get to be very

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pleasant and we were talking about this

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Chris and I before you came on in

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relation to somebody we both know

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someone Chris knows very well a UFO

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paranormal researcher well a historic

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figure ray Stanford sure somebody's been

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in the field for many many years who

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Hanks have had encounters with race

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the next week yeah yeah I'm wearing it

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the shadow and doing it Micah Hanks is

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joining us and we're talking here about

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a lot of the posturing and

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flame-throwing and arguments and ufos

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and like we have this ongoing discussion

672
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right now regarding the work of ray

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stanford now before we go on our

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listeners know he can be a pretty crusty

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guy and the first time he was on the

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show in 2009 with Chris by the way it

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was a question whether he or our former

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co-host would hang up first and the

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former co-host did it first he hung up

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about ten minutes before the show ended

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00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:04,570
so Micah have you had any encounters

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with race Stanford believe it or not I

683
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haven't I have never had any encounters

684
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with race Stanford I've heard him

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numerous times on this program of course

686
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which I always like to point out to

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people a very seldom have time to listen

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to other podcasts and when I do this is

689
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one of the ones that I try to make time

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for so but I've never encountered him

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beyond what I've heard on this program

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and of course the literature is research

693
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and involvement of course with the

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Socorro thing well he had his first UFO

695
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event occur in the mid 50's which he

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filmed along with a friend who also

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filmed it and it was listed for a long

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time in blue book as an unknown and then

699
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they switched it as a filming of Venus

700
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during the day which they had but that

701
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was the first part of the film the

702
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second part of the film is the UFO that

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shows up in hovers in the clouds that

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was shown on in search of another shows

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back in the 70s but you know I've always

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maintained that there's there's one

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person in the field that's actually

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scientifically pulling the field forward

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currently and that's where a Stanford

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and combine that with the fact that he's

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you know a real historic figure in the

712
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field knew everybody one of the forum

713
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posts slagging him says that he was a

714
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a member of the Adamski cult for

715
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instance and reimu Adamski very well he

716
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would go out there and visit him because

717
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he was trying to figure out how he was

718
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hosting his photographs and he finally

719
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got Adamski to fess up and show him and

720
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his brother rex how he was actually

721
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faking the films and photographs and

722
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well not the films but the photographs

723
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ray thinks that Adamski did early on

724
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have a one or two legitimate sightings

725
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and that jazzed him to a point where he

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thought that he could capitalize on that

727
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and then subsequently his whole

728
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contactee career developed go back

729
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quickly to a jam tsuki his sightings I

730
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think happened in the 1940s late 40s yep

731
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and that's where he started lecturing

732
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and everything it's one of those things

733
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here and this is a phenomenon maybe

734
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Michael wants to talk about which is

735
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maybe somebody has a real experience

736
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early on and we can assume that of some

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of these people maybe now of others and

738
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then they get the public acclaim and

739
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people expect that they know something

740
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oh my god you saw one of those things

741
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tell us more and they love that because

742
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maybe they are have feelings of

743
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inferiority they're not anybody who's

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achieved anything important in their

745
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lives or they don't think they have and

746
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suddenly they're famous and they think

747
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you know what maybe if I had another

748
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sighting that sighting or experience

749
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whatever it is would enable me to

750
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continue doing the lectures and maybe if

751
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I had a sighting it's not good enough

752
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next time I meet et in the California

753
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desert and I wonder how often that's

754
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happened I wonder how many of these more

755
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outrageous contact claims began with

756
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something real and then unfortunately

757
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human nature took over and they tried to

758
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extend the joy Myka I

759
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well yeah certainly think that that's

760
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:16,479
the case maybe more often than not as it

761
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relates not only to UFO sightings but

762
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also especially to those who claim to be

763
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a you know abductees and when I say

764
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claim to be I hate to have to give

765
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disclaimers but I want to be very clear

766
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that I'm not trying to cast doubt on

767
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those because you know I've set and had

768
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dinner with Travis Walton and I find him

769
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:33,100
to be a really nice guy

770
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a lot of people who have said that

771
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they've had these experiences I do think

772
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:39,010
frankly that the way that people who

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present the material they're after you

774
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:42,669
know following the claims of the

775
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:45,490
individuals that I think it's the

776
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:48,370
retelling of these events and in a way

777
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:51,160
such that is intended well maybe maybe

778
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,220
not intent intended per se but they tend

779
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:56,640
to Mendel s fall within the kind of the

780
00:32:01,650 --> 00:31:59,500
constraints of the memes and the culture

781
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:01,660
surrounding ufology what ends up

782
00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:03,640
happening is that the stories as they're

783
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:06,039
retold over the years begin to pick up

784
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,289
little tidbits elements of a broader

785
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:09,760
narrative that is kind of emerge which

786
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:12,280
may or may not be entirely factual or

787
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:16,120
accurate for this very reason in part I

788
00:32:19,529 --> 00:32:17,650
think of course in addition to trying to

789
00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:19,539
make the film scary fire in the sky for

790
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:21,400
instance became a horror film that

791
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:22,809
really played off of a lot of the more

792
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:25,000
horrific elements of alien abduction and

793
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:27,010
things and the like which Travis Walton

794
00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:28,990
when he gives his presentations on that

795
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:30,520
subject tries to differentiate he says

796
00:32:33,149 --> 00:32:31,809
this is what happened in the film but

797
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:33,159
this is what really happened to me this

798
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:34,600
film was completely different from my

799
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:37,240
experience now we're looking back at the

800
00:32:42,779 --> 00:32:39,610
earlier reports you know that constitute

801
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:42,789
early the Golden Age maybe of UFOs you

802
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,110
you also have people who didn't

803
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:46,240
necessarily claim to be contactees or

804
00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:48,490
abductees or anything of that nature who

805
00:32:52,289 --> 00:32:50,140
nonetheless described what they

806
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:52,299
experienced a little differently as time

807
00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:53,380
went on and I think that there's a very

808
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:54,820
clear reason why this happens Kenneth

809
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:56,230
Arnold described the swept winged

810
00:33:01,770 --> 00:32:59,980
aircraft with time and the adopting of

811
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:01,780
the term flying saucer by the media he

812
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began to describe what he had seen as

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being saucers as well and maintained

814
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:06,190
that at least one of them he believed

815
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was a swept-wing craft as he had

816
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initially said they all appeared to be

817
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:12,070
that doesn't to me cast doubt on what he

818
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:14,110
saw in many of them the modern skeptical

819
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,520
debunkers will tend to take that

820
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attitude that well if we can find

821
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anything that seems to to not mesh well

822
00:33:22,289 --> 00:33:20,559
with the rest of the story or any

823
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:22,299
inconsistencies we can throw the entire

824
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thing out I've even seen people try to

825
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do this with the cash Landrum case in

826
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recent years which i think is tantamount

827
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to character assassination of the

828
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witnesses and Kurt Collins and I've

829
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talked about it you guys have talked

830
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with him just as well what we what we

831
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need to see rather than okay this didn't

832
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:39,570
mesh well so it's all bunk is may be

833
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:42,130
psychologically memories change over

834
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:43,900
time and in fact looking into this

835
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:46,510
myself I found that there are studies

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that seem to

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that that people after the fact will

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tend to update their memories and it is

839
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possible the alt you know although

840
00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:55,540
honestly to do so it is possible I

841
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believe to update memories and hints I

842
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think these narratives change from time

843
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to time and then finally there are some

844
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people I think who maybe even haven't

845
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genuine experience and rather than

846
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updating memories or anything they do

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resort to fabrications so that they can

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continue the attention and the kind of

849
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role that they find themselves playing

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in the culture surrounding UFOs so yeah

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I certainly think that all of those

852
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factors have kind of rolled into this

853
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ball of of what ufology is supposedly

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and that's why often I espouse the

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skepticism that we need we have to break

856
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some of that down yeah and try and look

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at what people actually say don't read

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the books written by the people who read

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the books who read the books that were

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written you know thirty years ago about

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a subject go back and look at what the

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witnesses in those instances said and I

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do think when you look at the old cases

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you can find elements that maybe have

865
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fallen to the wayside not that they were

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never reported or discussed but things

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that people have forgotten because of

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the kind of snowballing that occurs now

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I was interesting here I was reading a

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blog on a different perspective that's

871
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Kevin Randall's blog he was talking

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about one of the Roswell witnesses and

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when he interview that person he noticed

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in that person's home he had a roswell

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book and other information about the

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case which may have reinforced and/or

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altered his memory and the thing I

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always worried about Roswell is that we

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have an event that occurs in 1947 by the

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late 70s

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it's rediscovered it doesn't matter how

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it was rediscovered we had William Moore

883
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and Stanton Friedman running across this

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case and investigating it and then of

885
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course they work with Charles Berlitz to

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write the book but here's the problem

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we're talking about bringing back

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memories of events that occurred three

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decades earlier and you have to think

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with cultural phenomenon and things have

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changed how could we possibly hope to

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get at the core event and then we have

893
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these end-of-life confessions deathbed

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confessions of which there were a very

895
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few and then they seem to remember

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something else maybe there was an

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extraterrestrial type of personage

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involved the key here is how can we hope

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to take a case so far removed from

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anyone's memory and realize what really

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happened sure if you can get some

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documents and everything and maybe

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somebody took notes that day or kept the

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diary or wrote something down where you

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could say this is what you remembered

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[Music]

1018
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maika

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I just went through a long monologue

1020
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there about nothing in particular but

1021
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you get the point here it's something

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that we're investigating cases that went

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back so far that what's remembered about

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them is altered by your culture what

1025
00:41:36,590 --> 00:41:34,530
they read how do we get at the core

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event again you bring us some really

1027
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good points um Jeanne and I want to

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actually rather than talking about

1029
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Roswell illustrate my feelings about

1030
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that by comparing it with another

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incident that was really interesting to

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me and also some of the great names in

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UFO research who have weighed in on this

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over the years briefly to talk about

1035
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Roswell really I look at some of the

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researchers of the years who've been

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involved with that and the way that in

1038
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truth their ideological perspectives

1039
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toward UFOs have become pretty biased in

1040
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my opinion and thus I think that we have

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to be very careful about how certain

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individuals allowed the biases to color

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their interpretation of what may or may

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not have happened and hence when Kevin

1045
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Randle talks about Roswell really I feel

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that my own perspectives on that are

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fairly well aligned with his and I

1048
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appreciate Kevin Randall's views on that

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almost pre-eminently one thing Kevin

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does is when he investigates something

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he even wrote a book about doing this he

1052
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goes back to the original source

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material not the quote of the quote and

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the reference of the previous reference

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he goes back as far as possible as much

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as he can to the original source to see

1057
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what really happened or what was really

1058
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claimed go ahead please yes and maybe

1059
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that's what I like about him really cuz

1060
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now that you mentioned that that really

1061
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kind of mirrors what I was just talking

1062
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about a moment ago when I was talking

1063
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for instance about the cash Landrum

1064
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thing with Kurt Collins he had been

1065
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talking about how doing that same thing

1066
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going back and looking at the early

1067
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statements from the witnesses it wasn't

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necessarily a diamond shaped object that

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was described it was a very brightly lit

1070
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object that the grandson Colby had

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described as possibly being diamond

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shaped which we could consider any

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number of reasons why the child may have

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perceived that especially if he'd been

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in the car and if the glass was you know

1076
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if it was reflecting against refracted

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by the the the windshield itself again I

1078
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don't want to start drawing a continuous

1079
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threads to try and explain some

1080
00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:23,880
phenomena but if maybe what we think we

1081
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:25,350
know about that case isn't as it

1082
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,380
actually has been

1083
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:28,450
disgust maybe it's time to rethink

1084
00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:30,010
things and you find those kind of things

1085
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,360
when you do that when you go all the way

1086
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:33,040
back and you look at precisely what the

1087
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:35,530
witnesses said but more recently after

1088
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:37,330
their actual experience and not again

1089
00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:38,680
the retellings of the retellings the

1090
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:40,840
retellings now that said there was an

1091
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:42,250
interesting circumstance that came about

1092
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:43,510
which you guys will remember that

1093
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:45,160
occurred at the citizens hearing on UFO

1094
00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:46,540
disclosure a couple of years ago I

1095
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:47,860
didn't get to go I believe Chris was

1096
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:50,770
there there was this retired lieutenant

1097
00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:51,400
colonel

1098
00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:54,070
Richard French that appeared and there

1099
00:43:58,500 --> 00:43:55,900
was a bit of contentious argument about

1100
00:44:00,660 --> 00:43:58,510
his statements because he had talked

1101
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:00,670
about and as was reported by Lee Spiegel

1102
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,130
in The Huffington Post he had discussed

1103
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:04,960
having witnessed I think off the coast

1104
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:07,090
of Newfoundland sometime maybe in the

1105
00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:10,480
1950s a UFO go beneath the water and he

1106
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:12,340
said that a crew of aliens came out and

1107
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:14,290
began repairing the craft under the

1108
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,510
water there were number not you know

1109
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:18,640
again maybe for all your I know he

1110
00:44:21,090 --> 00:44:19,780
really had that experience but I'm

1111
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:21,100
listening to the story I'm thinking okay

1112
00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:23,410
well first where was he positioned more

1113
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:25,300
importantly that he was able to see down

1114
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:27,580
into the water and observe these aliens

1115
00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:29,530
going about this work with this UFO this

1116
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:31,120
whole story seemed very strange some

1117
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:32,590
researchers said that it seemed to bear

1118
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:34,630
characteristics of another investigation

1119
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:36,970
that was entirely removed from what he

1120
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:38,830
claimed that he had been observing and

1121
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:40,120
his story was that not only did he

1122
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:41,800
observe this but on behalf of Blue Book

1123
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:43,120
that he played down the entire incident

1124
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:45,220
and hence why you'd never find records

1125
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:47,530
of it but that it had been reported in

1126
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:49,300
the Blue Book Papers the incident at

1127
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:50,950
least in the fact that he'd investigated

1128
00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:52,450
this so I went to the Blue Book files

1129
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:53,830
which as we all know have been available

1130
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:56,260
online for a number of years although I

1131
00:45:00,840 --> 00:44:58,110
think that one of the websites

1132
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:00,850
ancestry.com perhaps actually somehow

1133
00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:02,470
claims a copyright thing it hits our

1134
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:04,120
friend John Greenwald had to take him

1135
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:05,410
down off of his website but there are

1136
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:06,490
other places where they can be read

1137
00:45:10,050 --> 00:45:08,530
going back and reviewing the files for

1138
00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:10,060
the year in question I couldn't find any

1139
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:11,350
kind of report that seemed to indicate

1140
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:13,210
that there was an investigation by Blue

1141
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,940
Book that involved Newfoundland now it

1142
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:17,200
could have also involved Canadian

1143
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:18,970
officials who knows but the thing is is

1144
00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:20,380
that I found very little that seemed to

1145
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:21,880
substantiate the story that Richard

1146
00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:24,220
French told talking with Alejandro Rojas

1147
00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:26,380
and some of the folks at open lines they

1148
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:28,270
similarly felt that maybe he was miss

1149
00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:30,490
remembering something that you know

1150
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:32,080
supposedly happened years and years and

1151
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:34,180
years prior to and that maybe his

1152
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:36,010
retelling of what he thinks had happened

1153
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:39,160
had actually been a culmination of

1154
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:39,970
things that he had read

1155
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:41,290
another literature that maybe had

1156
00:45:45,570 --> 00:45:43,480
influenced his misremembering now to

1157
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:45,580
further complicate things what's really

1158
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:46,930
interesting is that nobody seemed to

1159
00:45:52,109 --> 00:45:49,570
catch this and I found that in John

1160
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:52,119
keels book Mothman Prophecies there is a

1161
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:54,250
Richard French who was the very fella

1162
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,080
who goes and speaks with the woman

1163
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,240
wearing plain clothes shows up Anna Ford

1164
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:00,640
Mustang and is offered a bowl of jell-o

1165
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:03,070
that he tries to drink and John keel of

1166
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:04,210
course famously wrote in the book

1167
00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:05,890
Mothman Prophecies this Richard French

1168
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:07,240
was not who he said he was and in fact

1169
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,010
he was an impostor like all these others

1170
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:11,920
which of course was part of the MIB lore

1171
00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:14,410
that was being presented at that time so

1172
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:16,599
not to fault keel he was convinced that

1173
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:18,550
this man was an impostor when in fact a

1174
00:46:23,609 --> 00:46:21,160
Richard French of the air force was

1175
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:23,619
named and actually you know on record as

1176
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:25,210
far back as when he authored that book

1177
00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:26,859
so I'm pretty sure that this is you know

1178
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:28,359
someone who was involved with UFO

1179
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:29,740
research from had worked with Blue Book

1180
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:31,210
but some of the stories you have to

1181
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:33,640
wonder what exactly were supposed to

1182
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:35,050
make of those so it could be interpreted

1183
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:37,150
two ways gene was it a complete miss

1184
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:38,710
remembrance and he was being honest or

1185
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,540
was this completely falsehood that was

1186
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:43,030
being presented his further evidence was

1187
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:44,740
some sort of a misinformation campaign

1188
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:46,060
that's been ongoing honor that's

1189
00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:46,960
conspiratorial

1190
00:46:50,579 --> 00:46:48,520
and I present that somewhat

1191
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,589
tongue-in-cheek Michael and let me just

1192
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:53,440
break in here Richard French contacted

1193
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:55,720
me a number of years ago this would have

1194
00:47:02,520 --> 00:46:59,619
been about 2006 or 7 at the time I think

1195
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:02,530
he claimed he lived in Sedona and he

1196
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,990
wanted to talk to me and for some reason

1197
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,359
I just I just felt kind of leery of

1198
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:09,280
opening lines of communication with him

1199
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,170
and I polite politely told him I was

1200
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:12,880
busy or something and he was very

1201
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:15,940
persistent he contacted me a number of

1202
00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:19,210
times and then I finally met him I think

1203
00:47:26,609 --> 00:47:23,080
in the first UFO my UFO International

1204
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:26,619
Congress in Scottsdale and he introduced

1205
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:29,560
himself and he I just I just felt that

1206
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:31,390
there was something kind of hinky about

1207
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:34,690
the guy he just he seemed too eager to

1208
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:38,260
become like a figure become notorious or

1209
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:40,450
whatever he seemed like there was a lust

1210
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:43,150
for recognition there and I I just never

1211
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:44,680
really gave him the time of day for some

1212
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:46,780
reason I just kind of had a sense about

1213
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:48,730
the man that that everything wasn't

1214
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:50,830
above board and there was something kind

1215
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:53,500
of nefarious or possibly pass

1216
00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:55,720
about him to be honest with you oh yeah

1217
00:47:59,940 --> 00:47:58,300
can I get that also Chris no you know I

1218
00:48:02,760 --> 00:47:59,950
think it's uh you know your point is

1219
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:02,770
well-taken about going back to primary

1220
00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:06,010
data when I researched my stock in the

1221
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,990
herd book that's what I attempted to do

1222
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,760
is go back and find the original

1223
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:12,880
articles that were referred to in in

1224
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:15,910
people's databases and get myself as

1225
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:20,050
pure and as close to the event you know

1226
00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:21,550
people's recollections people's

1227
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:24,520
statements especially from investigators

1228
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:26,530
and law enforcement but I think that was

1229
00:48:30,090 --> 00:48:28,870
really important to do and one of the

1230
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:30,100
things that we found which is very

1231
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,650
interesting was the the Alexander

1232
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:33,520
Hamilton

1233
00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:36,390
you know abducted calf which was

1234
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:38,680
subsequently discovered mutilated

1235
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:41,020
allegedly and going back to the original

1236
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:43,870
press accounts of that and we much to

1237
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:46,600
our surprise David Perkins and I found

1238
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,340
that Jerry Clark had fabricated the

1239
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:51,040
whole liar's club scenario about

1240
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:54,490
Hamilton and in fact a a quite an

1241
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:57,490
extensive affidavit attesting to his

1242
00:49:00,990 --> 00:48:59,170
honesty was signed by the twelve you

1243
00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:01,000
know the pillars of the community and

1244
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:04,360
notarized episode Jerry Clark you say

1245
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:07,540
yeah mm-hmm really I mean we found the

1246
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,880
article where he said that he referred

1247
00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:12,640
to an article where Alexander Hamilton

1248
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:14,680
did a Mia culpa and said well you know

1249
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:17,050
it you know I was I was just making it

1250
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:18,970
up as part of a liar's club and quite

1251
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:21,310
the opposite we found in that article

1252
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:23,830
the fact he came up with this said an

1253
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:26,620
explanation he says well I must have

1254
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:28,570
been mistaken it was actually an aunt

1255
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:31,300
with a with a hair crawling up a hair

1256
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,370
that was hanging he came up with this

1257
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:36,400
outlandish you know what if scenario to

1258
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,130
explain what he had seen which he in his

1259
00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:42,640
farmhand and his son all agreed was a

1260
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:45,580
large aerial craft flowing flying over

1261
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,970
there drifting over the the farm and in

1262
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:51,520
the he did a real tongue-in-cheek kind

1263
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,770
of disclaimer saying well if it wasn't

1264
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:56,170
what I said it was it must be the only

1265
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:57,550
thing that could have been was this and

1266
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,490
he described a miniature example of

1267
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:03,520
something you know something I forget

1268
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:04,900
what it was but it was a hair hanging

1269
00:50:07,350 --> 00:50:07,120
down off of something slowly drifting by

1270
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,360
the

1271
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:09,280
faces with an ant crawling you know at

1272
00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:11,890
the end of the hair and that's not a Mia

1273
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:14,320
culpa saying that it was all a joke with

1274
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:17,290
a liar's club I'm sorry you know I found

1275
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:19,960
the actual well David Perkins actually

1276
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:22,960
found the actual microfilm of the

1277
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:25,270
original article as it was stated in the

1278
00:50:29,220 --> 00:50:27,580
Kansas paper and you know Jerry really

1279
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:29,230
wanted to distance the mutilation

1280
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,780
phenomenon from ufology and back in the

1281
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:34,000
mid 70s when it was really hot and heavy

1282
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,260
all across the the Midwest and I think

1283
00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:41,440
you know he got a little outside of

1284
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:43,900
himself by by stretching the facts to

1285
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:45,220
the extent that he did beyond the

1286
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:48,910
breaking point so I think my point here

1287
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:53,260
is that investigators once they become

1288
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,390
entrenched with a particular view or a

1289
00:50:59,940 --> 00:50:57,040
particular conclusion that they are

1290
00:51:01,920 --> 00:50:59,950
convinced is is the right one whether

1291
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:01,930
consciously or unconsciously they will

1292
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:04,780
skew their treatment of the data to

1293
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:07,270
conform to their particular agenda

1294
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:09,670
just as the contactees do just as some

1295
00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:11,410
of the witnesses who maybe embellish

1296
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:13,840
their accounts you know for instance

1297
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:16,930
race stanford met and knew most of the

1298
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:19,600
you know your your most popular

1299
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:22,150
contactees during the 50s Adamski

1300
00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:23,050
williamson

1301
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:25,270
Daniel Frye Truman bathroom I can go

1302
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:27,220
down the list Geordi there we go there

1303
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:29,890
that list and make it any larger let's

1304
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:31,900
do the break look at Jean and Chris and

1305
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:39,510
not just an alternative to the

1306
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:42,120
mainstream media we're the premier

1307
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:45,850
independent talk radio network we are G

1308
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:50,410
C n Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran

1309
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:52,750
burned out from the Gulf War lives

1310
00:51:57,330 --> 00:51:55,000
tortured by relentless perplexing

1311
00:51:59,820 --> 00:51:57,340
nightmares nightmares of a horrific

1312
00:52:01,680 --> 00:51:59,830
battle in deep space and of a mysterious

1313
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:01,690
woman suffering an agony for her

1314
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:04,510
devastated world a woman not yet born

1315
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:08,250
calling across centuries to him

1316
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:11,370
then a coincidence leads him to his

1317
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:14,070
destiny his chance to alter the universe

1318
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:17,160
attacked of the Rockland the former

1319
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:18,870
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1320
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,720
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1321
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:23,880
the novel attack of the Rockets lies in

1322
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:25,470
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1323
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:27,450
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1324
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:30,510
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1325
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:33,390
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1326
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1327
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1328
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1329
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:42,420
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1330
00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:45,900
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1331
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:50,580
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1332
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:53,070
back pain hip pain poor posture if you

1333
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:54,900
suffer from any of these problems get

1334
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:57,630
ready to relax introducing an amazing

1335
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,130
product that's been in the market for

1336
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,980
over 25 years the sacral ng it was

1337
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:03,660
invented by a football coach using a

1338
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:04,380
common sense

1339
00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:06,330
osteopath technique he created this

1340
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:08,340
device to help his athletes by isolating

1341
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,230
and supporting the sacrum which is the

1342
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,760
keystone of our Anatomy this

1343
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:13,440
wedge-shaped bone is in the center of

1344
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,270
our hips where a lot of pain starts

1345
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,400
simply relax 20 minutes daily on the

1346
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:19,440
amazingly simple sacra wedgie and let

1347
00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:21,300
gravity do the work helping muscles

1348
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,550
rebalance and start releasing nerves sit

1349
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:25,200
in the sacral wedgy at the computer or

1350
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,910
while traveling to help correct posture

1351
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:28,440
to finally help relieve those stubborn

1352
00:53:33,470 --> 00:53:31,560
aches and pains for only 3395 it's made

1353
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:33,480
in the USA so click the family-owned

1354
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:36,330
website at sacred wedgie comm spelled SI

1355
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:40,020
c ro w e d gy comm or call one eight

1356
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:42,090
hundred seven thirty seven nine two nine

1357
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:43,710
five that's one eight hundred seven

1358
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:46,290
three seven nine two nine five relax

1359
00:54:04,050 --> 00:53:59,710
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1360
00:54:12,339 --> 00:54:04,060
standard of paranormal radio and now

1361
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:12,349
here's Jane Steinberg so you were saying

1362
00:54:17,319 --> 00:54:14,119
that of course our friend ray Stanford

1363
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:17,329
knew or was acquainted with many of the

1364
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,970
contactees of the 1950's Chris all right

1365
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:21,920
well yeah any if not most of the ones

1366
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:23,300
that got all the visibility and

1367
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:26,569
notoriety sure he the Van Tassel may

1368
00:54:33,010 --> 00:54:29,660
have had events early on Williamson may

1369
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:33,020
have had events early on and Adamski may

1370
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:36,609
have had an event or two early on but

1371
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,260
you know he rattled off a whole list

1372
00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:41,359
that he felt were just completely piont

1373
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:44,180
you know dog pilers that were inventing

1374
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:45,770
things like Daniel Frye for instance a

1375
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:48,730
brother boko and all that the one

1376
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:51,890
contactee that he felt was legitimate

1377
00:54:58,890 --> 00:54:55,040
was truman bathroom he said and he

1378
00:55:02,440 --> 00:54:58,900
related an amazing story that confirmed

1379
00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:02,450
bathrooms claim that a medallion was was

1380
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:04,760
or arraigns had a medallion made for him

1381
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:08,270
which Rey ended up meeting the the

1382
00:55:12,339 --> 00:55:10,700
jeweler that made the medallion and the

1383
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:12,349
jeweler happened years later to

1384
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:14,450
encounter Truman bathroom in a

1385
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:16,250
conference or a public speaking

1386
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,460
arrangement and not knowing where the

1387
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:22,000
medallion had ended up this diminutive

1388
00:55:28,089 --> 00:55:24,740
strange-looking woman very very short in

1389
00:55:30,250 --> 00:55:28,099
stature had contracted him to or at you

1390
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:30,260
know paid him to make this medallion and

1391
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:33,470
he had no idea who she was or you know

1392
00:55:37,569 --> 00:55:35,480
where the medallion ended up and he saw

1393
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:37,579
Truman bathroom at a at a speaking

1394
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:39,530
engagement and he noticed his medallion

1395
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,750
around bethe rooms neck and then

1396
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:43,760
realized that the little commander of

1397
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:46,190
this spaceship or arrange that he was

1398
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:48,800
talking about was the woman that had him

1399
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:50,900
make them a diet so you know there are

1400
00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:53,300
some weird interesting things I - in

1401
00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:55,670
bathroom wrote an entire book of rhyming

1402
00:56:02,079 --> 00:55:59,480
in in rhyming couplets as a love poem to

1403
00:56:06,099 --> 00:56:02,089
oral reigns now how many contactees have

1404
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:06,109
have written a book of poetry you know

1405
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,140
written for their alien

1406
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:11,690
contact now I recall something Chris

1407
00:56:17,289 --> 00:56:14,569
wasn't there an issue with a divorce

1408
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:17,299
against bathroom because of his supposed

1409
00:56:21,759 --> 00:56:20,690
bear with this alien yeah yeah his wife

1410
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:21,769
couldn't handle it

1411
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:24,049
you know it was way it was way too too

1412
00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:26,660
too weird for her but bathroom was just

1413
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:28,460
an awestruck kind of country guy you

1414
00:56:32,529 --> 00:56:30,740
know he he really never tried to really

1415
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:32,539
capitalize on he was almost forced to

1416
00:56:36,579 --> 00:56:34,190
write a book which I have a signed copy

1417
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:36,589
by the way aboard a flying saucer and if

1418
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:37,640
you read that book it's very

1419
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,660
matter-of-fact

1420
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:40,640
and he really didn't do anything beyond

1421
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:42,529
that except you know address some groups

1422
00:56:46,329 --> 00:56:44,089
and tell people about it but he sort of

1423
00:56:48,849 --> 00:56:46,339
disappeared off into into history into

1424
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:48,859
obscurity he never really attempted to

1425
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:50,869
create a cult around himself like

1426
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:53,089
Williamson did like Daniel Frye did like

1427
00:56:58,539 --> 00:56:55,430
Adamski did and in a lesser way Van

1428
00:57:00,519 --> 00:56:58,549
Tassel but you know some of the elements

1429
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:00,529
of that case are very very intriguing to

1430
00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:04,190
me and ray ray assures me that if there

1431
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:06,260
was any of the contact ease that may

1432
00:57:10,779 --> 00:57:08,089
have been legit the only one that he

1433
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:10,789
could think of was Truman bathroom and

1434
00:57:14,589 --> 00:57:12,740
that comes from somebody that that met

1435
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:14,599
and knew and spent time with all these

1436
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:16,190
people he wasn't members of their cult

1437
00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:18,920
as has been suggested on the para cast

1438
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:21,140
for him but he was investigating them

1439
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,150
and he actually debunked Daniel Frye he

1440
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:25,670
debunked George Adamski which led to Jim

1441
00:57:30,970 --> 00:57:27,470
Mosely doing the real public debunking

1442
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:30,980
so you know this is a very nuanced field

1443
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:33,529
especially back as Michael pointed to in

1444
00:57:37,809 --> 00:57:36,170
the Golden Age of ufology people you

1445
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:37,819
know we're wet behind the ears and and

1446
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:39,920
ready to believe anything I think today

1447
00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:42,440
in this modern age so many people are

1448
00:57:47,859 --> 00:57:45,500
cynical and just overloaded with the the

1449
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:47,869
pop culture sort of entertainment aspect

1450
00:57:51,549 --> 00:57:49,880
of this whole thing and you know I think

1451
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:51,559
Myka brought up a very good point about

1452
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:53,480
being involved in these projects I

1453
00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:56,329
turned down my own TV show with Canadian

1454
00:58:01,180 --> 00:57:58,730
Discovery Channel because I I just had

1455
00:58:02,859 --> 00:58:01,190
no idea I had no idea what they wanted

1456
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:02,869
to do and when I found out I didn't I

1457
00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:04,910
realized I didn't want to be involved in

1458
00:58:09,279 --> 00:58:06,680
a show that was exploiting innocent

1459
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,289
people the problem also with TV shows is

1460
00:58:13,299 --> 00:58:11,690
quite often they don't know what they

1461
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:13,309
want to do yeah exactly

1462
00:58:17,529 --> 00:58:15,950
yeah yeah well it's a show about weird

1463
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:17,539
events that happened in a weird place

1464
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,730
the weird people you know it's like I'm

1465
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:21,920
sorry if that's your you know your

1466
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:25,190
your one-line abstract I'm not I'm not

1467
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:26,750
interested in getting why don't care how

1468
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:28,190
much money you're dangling in front of

1469
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:29,720
you forget it well that's why they have

1470
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:31,400
so many pitch meetings each one has to

1471
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:32,150
be one minute

1472
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,710
it's kinda like having presidential

1473
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,319
debates with ten candidates on stage and

1474
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:38,000
they get what 10 minutes apiece

1475
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:40,970
yeah it's ludicrous yeah publicly fund

1476
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:42,650
elections number one but we won't even

1477
00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:43,490
get into that

1478
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:45,619
we tried that you see where that went

1479
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:49,160
see what I like talking to you guys let

1480
00:58:53,620 --> 00:58:51,170
me point something out too by the way in

1481
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,630
relation to Rae Stanford's involvement

1482
00:58:59,170 --> 00:58:56,000
with some of the contactees again this

1483
00:59:01,809 --> 00:58:59,180
this idea of guilt by association is is

1484
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:01,819
curious to me because again to use the

1485
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:03,260
term wet-behind-the-ears as you did

1486
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:05,390
Chris we look at that period in the way

1487
00:59:09,609 --> 00:59:07,490
that people were you know eager to try

1488
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:09,619
and answer the questions that it's that

1489
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:12,290
appeared to be resulting from UFO

1490
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:14,390
observations recurring in the post-world

1491
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:15,530
War two ERA you know some of these

1492
00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:17,690
actually occurred obviously prior to

1493
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:18,859
World War two but really I mean it

1494
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:21,230
became a public phenomena there in the

1495
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,170
late 40s and into the 1950s and so if

1496
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:26,319
there were people who claimed to be

1497
00:59:31,539 --> 00:59:29,270
involved some way or in some way with

1498
00:59:32,589 --> 00:59:31,549
the UFO phenomena remembering again that

1499
00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:32,599
really that this kind of

1500
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:34,369
extraterrestrial meme that has been

1501
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:36,049
built onto this over the years is

1502
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:38,210
something that is as I just said it was

1503
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:39,710
built onto this over the years the

1504
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:41,420
outset we didn't necessarily look at all

1505
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:42,710
this although some people certainly did

1506
00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:44,390
and I think this was the influence of

1507
00:59:48,849 --> 00:59:46,760
science fiction but but again we didn't

1508
00:59:51,490 --> 00:59:48,859
necessarily always look at UFOs and say

1509
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:51,500
look see space visitors that was one

1510
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:52,970
possibility and of course I guess the

1511
00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:55,609
project sign estimate of the situation

1512
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:57,260
kind of helped with that a little bit I

1513
01:00:00,760 --> 00:59:58,700
think in relation to the child's and

1514
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:00,770
witted encounter that their

1515
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:02,329
interpretation of the craft observed by

1516
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,460
the pilots seemed to be something that

1517
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:06,559
did not conform to known aviation

1518
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,910
technologies there's a lot more that

1519
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,680
could be said about technologies that

1520
01:00:13,089 --> 01:00:11,240
may exist on the periphery of known

1521
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,099
aviation technologies but we'll save

1522
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:14,960
that for later the point here is is that

1523
01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:16,670
there were determinations made that in

1524
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:17,720
likelihood pointed to an

1525
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:19,880
extraterrestrial origin of UFOs but that

1526
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:21,049
didn't necessarily mean that these

1527
01:00:26,109 --> 01:00:24,500
things were spacecraft and so those who

1528
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:26,119
were examining the phenomena with a

1529
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:28,280
little bit less bias we're just looking

1530
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:29,930
at it and saying okay well if we if we

1531
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:31,700
can find individuals who may be able to

1532
01:00:35,250 --> 01:00:34,250
help us find answers what if this is

1533
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,260
some foreign tech

1534
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:36,640
ecology what if there are people who are

1535
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:38,590
in touch with those you know in control

1536
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:40,570
these craft and therefore if that's the

1537
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:41,650
cases there's some sort of a

1538
01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:43,420
counterintelligence program or something

1539
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:44,980
that may involve national security that

1540
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:46,570
should be taken into consideration so my

1541
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:48,250
question would be rather than just

1542
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:49,450
leaping to the guilt by association

1543
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:51,250
thing and say oh he was a member of the

1544
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:53,710
Adamski cult I would argue if an

1545
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:56,260
investigator wanted answers why wouldn't

1546
01:01:00,330 --> 01:00:58,330
they involve themselves at least to some

1547
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:00,340
extent with those claiming to have

1548
01:01:04,860 --> 01:01:02,440
direct communication and interactions

1549
01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:04,870
with the phenomenon now that raises one

1550
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:07,180
issue too with regard to major Kehoe's

1551
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:09,550
organization I can't he wouldn't get

1552
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:12,670
near that and the reason is that there's

1553
01:01:18,270 --> 01:01:15,790
a matter of public perceptions if you

1554
01:01:21,570 --> 01:01:18,280
get too close to the more extreme cases

1555
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:21,580
the serious people you want to convince

1556
01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:23,530
of UFO reality will look elsewhere

1557
01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:25,300
that's a really good point too by the

1558
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,460
way which again I think you know is

1559
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:29,200
still something that we see in the

1560
01:01:33,330 --> 01:01:30,730
modern era there are some very credible

1561
01:01:35,790 --> 01:01:33,340
reports that maybe aren't afforded very

1562
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:35,800
serious treatment because people

1563
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:37,840
unfortunately worry about the

1564
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:39,970
stigmatization that occurs in relation

1565
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:41,050
to the phenomenon the way that it's

1566
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:42,430
treated which is again why I think that

1567
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:43,960
we don't necessarily need to throw

1568
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:45,310
everything out with the bathwater but I

1569
01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:46,480
think that you know fundamental

1570
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:48,190
breakdown of some of the terminology and

1571
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:50,530
some of the memes is necessary which is

1572
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:52,690
why and it really troubles me I'm very

1573
01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:54,430
careful about how I phrase what I do I

1574
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,750
don't necessarily like the term

1575
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,520
ufologist at least in relation to what I

1576
01:02:01,020 --> 01:01:59,200
do I like to say I'm a researcher of

1577
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:01,030
aerial phenomena but when I meet people

1578
01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:02,470
on the street and they find out what I

1579
01:02:06,510 --> 01:02:04,540
really do you know in terms of books and

1580
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:06,520
things they always come back with this

1581
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,840
and you guys have probably heard this

1582
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:10,240
hey I believe I believe they're out

1583
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:12,370
there one of the things that is often

1584
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:14,770
uses a pejorative is to refer to

1585
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:16,990
somebody interested in UFOs as a

1586
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:20,020
extraterrestrial believer yeah oh x2

1587
01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:22,090
terrestrial believers are coming

1588
01:02:26,670 --> 01:02:24,790
together at this UFO convention right

1589
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:26,680
and we're saying the same thing in the

1590
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:29,920
conspiracy realm now it's the UM you're

1591
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:31,990
a member of the black helicopter crowd

1592
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:35,290
or you're a truther or you know there's

1593
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:37,630
all these kind of implied sort of

1594
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:39,670
derogatory elements to some of these

1595
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:41,650
terms and speaking about the term

1596
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:44,380
ufologist I mean I go ballistic when I I

1597
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:47,230
see myself on a show where I'm talking

1598
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:48,700
about something that has nothing to do

1599
01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:50,470
with ufology and they call me a

1600
01:02:55,830 --> 01:02:52,120
ufologist when I've asked them very

1601
01:02:57,540 --> 01:02:55,840
directly do not underline call me or you

1602
01:02:59,370 --> 01:02:57,550
follow gist invariably somebody in

1603
01:03:01,200 --> 01:02:59,380
post-production didn't get the memo and

1604
01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:01,210
they go ahead and just put that with

1605
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:03,400
term ufologist to me it's it's like a

1606
01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:06,250
death knell for any sort of credibility

1607
01:03:12,090 --> 01:03:10,360
or gravitas you have to say that but but

1608
01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:12,100
I really feel that way it's just I oh

1609
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you believe in early and you're the guy

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that believes in aliens it's like wait a

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minute how do you know we're not the

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aliens and whenever we call aliens are

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more terrestrial than we are that's my

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blanket response and of course people

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scratch your heads and go well he's

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weird you're weird because you're trying

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to say well let's let's not get ahead of

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ourselves we don't know what this is you

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know I have an announcement to make and

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I will on that next segment how about

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that little boy all right I'm not sure

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if I'm ready for this yes you will be

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Gina and Chris and Micah Hanks maybe

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coming of the protectors a former

1639
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military intelligence man is contacted

1640
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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1642
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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

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it's our Ock oids

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of these problems get

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ready to relax introducing an amazing

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invented by a football coach using a

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common sense osteopath technique he

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created this device to help us athletes

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by isolating and supporting the sacrum

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which is the keystone of our anatomy

1660
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this wedge-shaped bone is in the center

1661
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of our hips where a lot of pain starts

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01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:14,520
simply relax 20 minutes daily on the

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amazingly simple sacral wedgie and let

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gravity do the work helping muscles

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rebalance and start releasing nerves sit

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in the sacral wedgy at the computer or

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while traveling to help correct posture

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to finally help relieve those stubborn

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aches and pains for only 3395 it's made

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five that's one eight hundred seven

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if you owe $10,000 or more to the IRS or

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state in back taxes you know they'll

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never stop coming after you with bank

1679
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lobbies wage garnishments they'll even

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seize your home or business the good

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news a government program for tax debt

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forgiveness it's called the Fresh Start

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yield we can help navigate the new laws

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get you protected and resolve your tax

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issues permanently call the experts at

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US tax yield now for your free

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consultation and get a guarantee quote

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to resolve your case call eight hundred

1690
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four three six 6451

1691
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that's eight hundred four three six

1692
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sixty four fifty one goal isn't for you

1693
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today anderson president of midas

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resources one of the world's premier

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1696
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i get it

1697
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you wouldn't buy gold if you believed

1698
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,150
that the government is doing a great job

1699
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that the Fed will stop handing out

1700
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trillions of dollars like bail out candy

1701
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:36,030
that Social Security would be there for

1702
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:37,710
you that's not what's happening

1703
01:06:41,810 --> 01:06:39,780
you might even pass on gold if the

1704
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:41,820
stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

1705
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:44,010
or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

1706
01:06:48,380 --> 01:06:45,930
or that your retirement will be secure

1707
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:48,390
if all looks rosy to you then now is not

1708
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the time to buy goal for the realists

1709
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,780
there have never been more sobering

1710
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reasons to diversify with gold since

1711
01:06:58,550 --> 01:06:56,820
2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked

1712
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thirty percent while gold has risen

1713
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three hundred percent right now savvy

1714
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investors are adding gold to their

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portfolios you should to find out what

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they

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call us and I'll send you 10 reasons why

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goal will do very well three eight

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seven eight hundred six eight six two

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two three seven that's 800 six eight six

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two two three seven it's so lonely here

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I can barely stand it and waiting for

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you to stroke your keys and unload over

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1736
01:07:59,079 --> 01:07:55,130
comment or question about the para cast

1737
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sent it to news at the para cast com

1738
01:08:04,509 --> 01:08:02,569
that's news at the para cast calm and

1739
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:04,519
don't forget to visit our famous para

1740
01:08:12,370 --> 01:08:07,700
cast community forums at forum dot the

1741
01:08:16,329 --> 01:08:12,380
para cast com last week on the para cast

1742
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,339
we featured margie kay okay and she's

1743
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:18,560
connected with Missouri MUFON well it

1744
01:08:21,879 --> 01:08:19,489
got to be a pretty interesting

1745
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:21,889
discussion when we brought up the

1746
01:08:27,999 --> 01:08:24,500
question to March ek as to why they were

1747
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:28,009
featuring at a Missouri MUFON meeting he

1748
01:08:32,169 --> 01:08:30,170
who shall not be named the American

1749
01:08:34,959 --> 01:08:32,179
representative for billy meier context

1750
01:08:38,289 --> 01:08:34,969
well as we are doing this show which is

1751
01:08:40,749 --> 01:08:38,299
on Thursday August 6th let me give you

1752
01:08:43,149 --> 01:08:40,759
the preface here after the episode and

1753
01:08:45,519 --> 01:08:43,159
we acquainted March ek with the evidence

1754
01:08:48,519 --> 01:08:45,529
against Meyer I sent her a link to this

1755
01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:48,529
long power cast forum thread where we

1756
01:08:53,979 --> 01:08:50,989
had thousands of messages debunking

1757
01:08:54,459 --> 01:08:53,989
Mayer Oh incredible research on that too

1758
01:08:56,860 --> 01:08:54,469
I might add

1759
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,870
it was amazing and we have to thank I'll

1760
01:09:00,939 --> 01:08:58,880
name them what the heck David B Edna

1761
01:09:03,459 --> 01:09:00,949
Jeff Richmond really doing yeomen work

1762
01:09:06,939 --> 01:09:03,469
to put all this together we then looked

1763
01:09:08,919 --> 01:09:06,949
up the UFO watchdog that Royce Myers ran

1764
01:09:11,019 --> 01:09:08,929
it's an inactive site now but it has a

1765
01:09:13,180 --> 01:09:11,029
very informative page about Billy Meyer

1766
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:13,190
I sent that plus links of the two

1767
01:09:18,370 --> 01:09:15,560
episodes on which we had He Who Shall

1768
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,380
Not Be Named sent them to Margie Kay and

1769
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:20,239
said you really got to look at this now

1770
01:09:25,450 --> 01:09:22,489
remember he who shall not be named was

1771
01:09:28,510 --> 01:09:25,460
supposed to appear the next weekend at

1772
01:09:33,519 --> 01:09:28,520
Missouri MUFON except that event has

1773
01:09:34,209 --> 01:09:33,529
been canceled and someone posted this in

1774
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,219
our forums

1775
01:09:39,070 --> 01:09:37,040
I just finished reviewing your

1776
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,080
information and links as well as other

1777
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:41,120
evidence submitted to me by other people

1778
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:43,219
and have come to the conclusion that

1779
01:09:47,919 --> 01:09:45,770
this case must indeed be a hoax

1780
01:09:50,379 --> 01:09:47,929
thank you for the information make it an

1781
01:09:52,329 --> 01:09:50,389
impact I love it the power cast did it

1782
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,339
folks you don't have to say we did it

1783
01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:54,800
because Chris and I acquainted her with

1784
01:10:01,149 --> 01:09:57,620
the facts now before this she claimed

1785
01:10:02,690 --> 01:10:01,159
that this is interesting it she claims

1786
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:02,700
she remote viewed Billy

1787
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:06,420
fire to confirm the case was genuine

1788
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:13,160
well hey let me just say I'm fascinated

1789
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:15,330
with remote viewing I'm fascinated with

1790
01:10:18,170 --> 01:10:16,620
the concept the fact that there have

1791
01:10:19,730 --> 01:10:18,180
been taxpayer dollars put behind this

1792
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:19,740
and not just in the US but also in other

1793
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:21,210
parts of the world and the possibility

1794
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:24,590
even as indicated by certain I think FRC

1795
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:27,000
investigations that when the milky way

1796
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,610
is below the horizon that as much as a

1797
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,920
300% statistical increase which I mean

1798
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:33,840
really put into context who knows

1799
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:35,490
exactly how significant that is but it

1800
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:36,210
sounds good

1801
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:38,010
well where'd that come from I've never

1802
01:10:41,660 --> 01:10:40,290
heard that yeah it's interesting there's

1803
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,670
there's a document that was sent along

1804
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:43,440
to me by a friend who I can't name

1805
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:44,850
because unfortunately there you know

1806
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:47,010
some people who by virtue of where they

1807
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,810
work and who they work with they have to

1808
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:50,820
protect their identities and whatnot

1809
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:52,260
this is publicly available and I wrote

1810
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:53,610
an article at mysterious universe that

1811
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:54,930
talked about this but the documents

1812
01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:56,610
available online that was just an

1813
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,410
examination of some of the CIA

1814
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:00,000
remote viewing projects Chris I'll send

1815
01:11:02,330 --> 01:11:00,930
that to you're not trying to get it

1816
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:02,340
posted over there yeah appreciate that

1817
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:03,810
because I've never heard anything like

1818
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:05,970
that yeah that some sort of stellar

1819
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:08,460
proximity has any sort of a demonstrable

1820
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:10,860
effect on remote viewing the accuracy

1821
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:13,170
success rates whatever yeah it's

1822
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:14,490
interesting but I only bring that up to

1823
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:15,480
say that you know there may be some

1824
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,310
credible instances where remote viewing

1825
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:19,650
and the like has been if not

1826
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:21,210
demonstrated it very at least some very

1827
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,640
interesting correlative data has been

1828
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:26,100
suggested but that said I don't look at

1829
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,440
remote viewing is a good way to justify

1830
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:30,780
the claims of a purported UFO contactee

1831
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:33,510
and billy meier you know maybe an

1832
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:35,850
example of somebody that early on had

1833
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:38,160
legitimate experiences and that totally

1834
01:11:44,650 --> 01:11:41,370
sent him off into ideal and to go ahead

1835
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:44,660
and and manufacture you know a way to

1836
01:11:49,820 --> 01:11:48,330
attract followers to you know a system

1837
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:49,830
of belief that's derived by the

1838
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:52,410
contactee admirer would be a classic

1839
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,690
textbook example of that I think yeah

1840
01:11:58,220 --> 01:11:56,280
and maybe I'm just being a skeptic but

1841
01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:58,230
you know I'll give the benefit of the

1842
01:12:02,270 --> 01:11:59,250
doubt that again there may have been

1843
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:02,280
what we might call a an entry experience

1844
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:04,860
experience or a gateway let's say

1845
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:07,470
gateway experience right where someone

1846
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:09,000
experiences something thinks they seen

1847
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:11,340
something it becomes fascinating subject

1848
01:12:13,730 --> 01:12:12,540
to them they want to become immersed in

1849
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:13,740
the culture and all of a sudden they

1850
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:15,850
start reproducing things that I

1851
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,110
suggestive of their continued encounters

1852
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:22,420
where is I mean here's the thing the the

1853
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:23,830
analyses that determine that well

1854
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:25,270
there's an actual physical object in

1855
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,650
those pictures yeah you know what a

1856
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:28,960
model dangling from a stream can very

1857
01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:31,030
well be a real object and to say that

1858
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:32,380
the photos aren't hoaxed and that it's a

1859
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:33,820
real object doesn't prove their

1860
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:35,410
legitimacy to me that's just my feeling

1861
01:12:41,490 --> 01:12:38,230
and you have to marvel at the ingenuity

1862
01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:41,500
of some of these hoaxers back in the

1863
01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:43,900
pre-digital days especially some of the

1864
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:45,160
kids are coming up with some pretty

1865
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:47,230
pretty impressive stuff here in the

1866
01:12:52,190 --> 01:12:49,480
digital age I mean I've seen some some

1867
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,200
pretty pretty cool you know

1868
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:55,360
CGI jobs but of course they have none of

1869
01:13:03,300 --> 01:12:58,570
the earmarks of a legitimate sighting

1870
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:03,310
which can be easily shown and used the

1871
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:05,340
formula can be used to expose

1872
01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:07,810
practically any hoax photograph or

1873
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:08,860
videotape

1874
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now from the work of Ray Stanford and

1875
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others we do have some pretty I think

1876
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:17,850
really tried and true and and tested

1877
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:22,630
litmus tests that these CGI and hoaxed

1878
01:13:28,380 --> 01:13:25,570
photoshopped type events can be exposed

1879
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:28,390
very easily in fact I you know I've

1880
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:30,310
gotten to the point now where I can just

1881
01:13:36,570 --> 01:13:33,400
take you know two seconds and instantly

1882
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:36,580
know whether something is is real or is

1883
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:39,820
hoax just intuitively because of the

1884
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:42,310
amount of training and the insights that

1885
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:43,930
I've gotten into the process of how to

1886
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:46,150
actually identify these things I'm not a

1887
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:48,100
professional analyst by any stretch but

1888
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:50,110
I think I'm better than some of the

1889
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:52,330
professional analysts at this point and

1890
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:55,570
and I think most people have a sense of

1891
01:14:00,540 --> 01:13:57,970
what rings true when they see some sort

1892
01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:00,550
of an event the classic example would be

1893
01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:03,190
to watch Jaime massan's presentation I

1894
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:04,990
mean he's up there for 90 minutes and

1895
01:14:09,690 --> 01:14:07,150
it's showing photograph after photograph

1896
01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:09,700
video clip after video clip you know my

1897
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:11,980
rough estimation is about twenty percent

1898
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:13,930
of what he showed was really compelling

1899
01:14:20,370 --> 01:14:17,970
and deserving of more analysis and

1900
01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:20,380
scientific scrutiny and the rest of it

1901
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:22,270
was all just like fluff and fodder for

1902
01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:25,720
the titillation of the crowd yeah and

1903
01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:28,900
sadly those who maybe less up to speed

1904
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:29,620
on the literature

1905
01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:32,290
less up to speed on the idea of the way

1906
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:34,660
to spot various artifacts that are

1907
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:36,580
perhaps representative of digital

1908
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:38,200
rendering I'm like you I don't know by

1909
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:39,310
the way that I could take just two

1910
01:14:43,170 --> 01:14:41,950
seconds but I think the thing is what

1911
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:43,180
you meant by that when you say that but

1912
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:44,590
I mean I think well yeah it just hits

1913
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:46,570
you it hits you when you when I see

1914
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:49,180
something that's real legitimate I get

1915
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:51,550
an instant hit that it is if I don't get

1916
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,320
that hit then I have to sit there and

1917
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:55,600
kind of wait and then invariably nine

1918
01:14:59,580 --> 01:14:57,940
times out of ten I would say you know my

1919
01:15:02,280 --> 01:14:59,590
suspicion that there's something down

1920
01:15:04,290 --> 01:15:02,290
when to Denmark it you know holds true

1921
01:15:06,690 --> 01:15:04,300
in my own estimation of course I'm

1922
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:06,700
talking just about me yeah but you know

1923
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:08,110
I know exactly what you're saying though

1924
01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:10,030
Chris and that you what you do is over

1925
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:12,070
time if you try to educate yourself not

1926
01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:13,600
in okay well let's let's look for you of

1927
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:15,460
Home Videos instead we say let's look

1928
01:15:19,230 --> 01:15:17,650
for the elements that may support this

1929
01:15:20,730 --> 01:15:19,240
as being something that is a legitimate

1930
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,740
object and not just some digital

1931
01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:22,480
rendering you know if you do study

1932
01:15:25,740 --> 01:15:23,950
Digital renderings how they're created

1933
01:15:27,780 --> 01:15:25,750
the hallmarks of what people use to

1934
01:15:29,850 --> 01:15:27,790
compose these kinds of hoax videos you

1935
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:29,860
can begin to spot the the telltale signs

1936
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:31,930
very easily and if you don't know this

1937
01:15:34,710 --> 01:15:33,250
is what I always say if you're not an

1938
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:34,720
expert you know although you spend a lot

1939
01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:36,130
of time years in fact doing this kind of

1940
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:37,480
thing but for those who aren't experts

1941
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:39,460
you study I always say look if you're

1942
01:15:42,570 --> 01:15:41,050
serious about UFO research try not to

1943
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:42,580
make that determination yourself find

1944
01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:44,410
somebody who is it's like experienced

1945
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:45,940
and by the way Chris I was going to say

1946
01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:47,410
too that you know with problems

1947
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:49,420
concomitant with observing videos and

1948
01:15:52,740 --> 01:15:51,670
photos these days with manipulation this

1949
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:52,750
is something that I never hear people

1950
01:15:56,610 --> 01:15:54,370
talk about very much but I think that's

1951
01:15:58,230 --> 01:15:56,620
really compelling when we talk about UFO

1952
01:16:01,020 --> 01:15:58,240
sightings some of the most interesting

1953
01:16:02,610 --> 01:16:01,030
data it may not necessarily be anything

1954
01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:02,620
that meets the criteria of physical

1955
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:04,120
proof that you know would satisfy a

1956
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,890
physical scientist but when we have the

1957
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,840
police dispatch recordings have we ever

1958
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:09,040
talked about this before the police

1959
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:10,660
dispatched recordings you know I don't

1960
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:12,130
think we have but that's a really good

1961
01:16:17,250 --> 01:16:13,930
point I mean just the emotion in the

1962
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:17,260
voices I think betrays the impact of a

1963
01:16:22,050 --> 01:16:19,650
particular event on the actual initial

1964
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:22,060
investigating officer or witness or

1965
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:24,850
what-have-you let's do the break guys we

1966
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got more to come we'll continue this the

1967
01:16:31,410 --> 01:16:29,230
impact of those first calls to the

1968
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police department with gene increase in

1969
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1970
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a little rise a little laugh but always

1971
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independent-minded

1972
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the genesis communications network GC by

1973
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now you know that wireless technology

1974
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like cell phones do in fact pose dangers

1975
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to the health and privacy of everyone

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1978
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1979
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1982
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1983
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1984
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1985
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1986
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1987
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1990
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1991
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2001
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2002
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2003
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officials started talking about issuing

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a national ID card with a built-in radio

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2023
01:18:27,549 --> 01:18:26,210
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2024
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2025
01:18:30,989 --> 01:18:29,630
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2036
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2037
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2038
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2039
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2040
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2043
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2049
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[Music]

2050
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2051
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2055
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2057
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2063
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2064
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2065
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2066
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2067
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[Music]

2071
01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:07,310
what I specifically was talking about

2072
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:09,080
were the police dispatch recordings okay

2073
01:21:13,810 --> 01:21:11,210
this is basically the police officers

2074
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:13,820
calling their their base station

2075
01:21:17,470 --> 01:21:15,860
yeah and problem at times also

2076
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:17,480
communicating back and forth via radio

2077
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:20,390
with one another and and let you know as

2078
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,070
you were describing Chris there you know

2079
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:23,600
that not only the emotion in their voice

2080
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:25,310
but also I think what you what you get

2081
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:28,370
is more importantly a real-time running

2082
01:21:32,530 --> 01:21:30,290
commentary on the objects as being

2083
01:21:35,230 --> 01:21:32,540
observed by the police officers being

2084
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,240
recorded as the object is being observed

2085
01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:37,760
rather than a retelling based on memory

2086
01:21:42,430 --> 01:21:39,500
which is Rendlesham would be a great

2087
01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:42,440
example of that yeah and of course some

2088
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:43,940
that come to mind for me especially here

2089
01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:45,170
in the states have been I think was it

2090
01:21:51,730 --> 01:21:47,630
was it January of 2001 in southern

2091
01:21:54,250 --> 01:21:51,740
Illinois the report of Oh realizing that

2092
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:54,260
large triangle object we had not just

2093
01:21:57,370 --> 01:21:55,760
one or two police officers we had a

2094
01:21:59,050 --> 01:21:57,380
number of police officers across

2095
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:59,060
different municipalities and different

2096
01:22:03,010 --> 01:22:00,920
departments all reporting this

2097
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:03,020
recordings of the audio made yet again

2098
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,400
and one of the managers although it was

2099
01:22:08,170 --> 01:22:06,080
a blurry photo with a polar graph or a

2100
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:08,180
Polaroid camera the photograph

2101
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:10,520
nonetheless was produced which does seem

2102
01:22:14,650 --> 01:22:11,870
to show some sort of an object which

2103
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:14,660
meets the claims of those police

2104
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:15,890
officers involved who said that they'd

2105
01:22:20,050 --> 01:22:17,480
observed this object and that thing I

2106
01:22:21,340 --> 01:22:20,060
mean that was just an eerie circumstance

2107
01:22:23,170 --> 01:22:21,350
they all described the same sort of a

2108
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:23,180
thing it was just again a very classic

2109
01:22:27,730 --> 01:22:26,450
large triangular shaped UFO what that

2110
01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:27,740
actually was who knows some who

2111
01:22:31,540 --> 01:22:30,110
suggested these still stealth blimps in

2112
01:22:33,190 --> 01:22:31,550
the life that have been discussed the

2113
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:33,200
possible DARPA project who knows what

2114
01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:35,690
these things are but it seems to be that

2115
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:37,430
they are reported and again coming back

2116
01:22:40,750 --> 01:22:38,960
I always have to bring this up because

2117
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:40,760
it just illustrates how fundamentally

2118
01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:42,110
biased many people are

2119
01:22:47,650 --> 01:22:44,630
sir Stephen Hawking one whom I truly do

2120
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:47,660
respect but often disagree with for him

2121
01:22:51,790 --> 01:22:50,300
to say that UFOs are insignificant or

2122
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:51,800
and the reports are meaningless because

2123
01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:53,510
why if we were being visited would they

2124
01:22:57,010 --> 01:22:54,860
only show themselves to cranks and

2125
01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:57,020
weirdos well numerous police officers

2126
01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:58,850
you know reporting back to dispatch

2127
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:00,470
communicating with one another in taking

2128
01:23:04,090 --> 01:23:02,210
photographs of an object this traversing

2129
01:23:06,850 --> 01:23:04,100
southern Illinois in the wee hours of

2130
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:06,860
them of the morning that is not a bunch

2131
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:08,660
of cranks and weirdos and that is

2132
01:23:12,850 --> 01:23:11,090
further not proof of extraterrestrials

2133
01:23:15,070 --> 01:23:12,860
it's proof of some sort of a massive

2134
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,080
aircraft that numerous and individuals

2135
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:17,840
and actually subsequent to that being

2136
01:23:21,460 --> 01:23:19,390
widely reported as a result of

2137
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:21,470
television programs that documented the

2138
01:23:24,910 --> 01:23:23,660
police officers and their encounters and

2139
01:23:27,670 --> 01:23:24,920
observations there were other

2140
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:27,680
individuals one man specifically who had

2141
01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:29,090
been driving along and observed the same

2142
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,620
craft and it was not with the police

2143
01:23:33,730 --> 01:23:32,000
department so there were additional

2144
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:33,740
witnesses and probably many more who

2145
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:35,930
didn't ever come forward but the point

2146
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:37,490
is is that those dispatch recordings are

2147
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:38,390
interesting because they give a

2148
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:40,970
real-time commentary from the officers

2149
01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:42,770
often who are armed at very least with

2150
01:23:46,450 --> 01:23:44,870
binoculars sometimes with cameras and

2151
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:46,460
what's more interesting to me is the

2152
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:48,590
fact that in some instances this

2153
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:50,050
happened with Stephenville by the way

2154
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:52,460
there were police officers who observed

2155
01:23:56,710 --> 01:23:54,170
the aircraft same sort of thing large

2156
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:56,720
triangles over Stephenville a friend of

2157
01:24:00,100 --> 01:23:58,310
mine was contacted by one of the police

2158
01:24:01,330 --> 01:24:00,110
officers who supplied photographs and I

2159
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:01,340
actually have a copy of the photo with

2160
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,650
this triangle and two orange orbs of

2161
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,600
light rising up toward it which if you

2162
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:07,280
recall during the Belgian triangle wave

2163
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:08,930
of the nineteen nineties it was often

2164
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:09,950
discussed that there were independent

2165
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:11,870
orange orbs of light that would move

2166
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:13,460
independently from the craft and

2167
01:24:18,460 --> 01:24:15,920
sometimes ascend and rejoin a larger

2168
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:18,470
triangular shaped object you know

2169
01:24:21,850 --> 01:24:19,910
there's a certain consistency between

2170
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:21,860
the descriptions of these craft and yet

2171
01:24:25,210 --> 01:24:23,570
again we had police officers responding

2172
01:24:26,980 --> 01:24:25,220
some of them even taking photographs and

2173
01:24:28,630 --> 01:24:26,990
the police officer in that instance said

2174
01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:28,640
that it wasn't in his position in a

2175
01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:30,380
position to be able to share it but then

2176
01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:32,120
in addition to the photographs that were

2177
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,740
taken to the craft that night that there

2178
01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:36,080
was dashcam footage that was being

2179
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:37,790
withheld by the police department with

2180
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:39,830
which he worked don't you wish you could

2181
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:41,390
get access to something like that and

2182
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:42,530
sadly I don't know the name of that

2183
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:45,230
police officer and hence again people

2184
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:46,730
would say well then that is absolutely

2185
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:49,010
useless information but I guess that the

2186
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:50,570
broader point is that there are people

2187
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:52,610
who are not cranks and weirdos sometimes

2188
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:53,510
you are capable of producing

2189
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:55,370
photographic evidence and also audio

2190
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:55,920
record

2191
01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:58,170
of these crafting and many of the

2192
01:25:01,700 --> 01:24:59,550
instances where this has happened

2193
01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:01,710
they are the triangle-shaped aircraft

2194
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:02,820
that are being observed by these law

2195
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:04,230
enforcement officers that's kind of

2196
01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:05,850
interesting to me and again people don't

2197
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:07,320
often bring that to the table as good

2198
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,820
evidence but you can get on YouTube and

2199
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:10,560
listen to these dispatch recordings all

2200
01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:12,510
day and twice on Sunday so it's pretty

2201
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:14,460
interesting well the one thing about it

2202
01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:16,500
is when you know what they really say as

2203
01:25:22,190 --> 01:25:18,920
we're seeing by the way when you have

2204
01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:22,200
dashcam pictures of certain kinds of

2205
01:25:26,540 --> 01:25:24,420
unfortunate encounters between citizens

2206
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:26,550
and police that don't work out well when

2207
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:29,250
you hear the original version of what

2208
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:31,260
they say and then you see the dashcam

2209
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:34,290
video you hear the audio suddenly it's a

2210
01:25:37,940 --> 01:25:35,280
totally different story

2211
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:37,950
you can put that's kind of spin on

2212
01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:39,780
anymore unless you edit the video or the

2213
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:42,120
audio absolutely which is again maybe

2214
01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:44,010
with you know buying a little hope to

2215
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,350
this if in the future there are more

2216
01:25:49,330 --> 01:25:47,760
instances and I believe that they've

2217
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:49,340
probably been some that have not been

2218
01:25:54,230 --> 01:25:52,140
made public for purposes of just like

2219
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:54,240
with Donald Kehoe distancing himself

2220
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:56,670
from certain things so as to try and

2221
01:26:00,650 --> 01:25:58,980
present a more credible air with the

2222
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:00,660
discussion of the UFO subject I'm sure

2223
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:02,250
that their police departments that we

2224
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:04,170
have numerous officers who respond they

2225
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:06,330
see an object they may even film

2226
01:26:09,650 --> 01:26:08,370
something but because of the controversy

2227
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:09,660
surrounding this the subject I think

2228
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:11,010
there are a lot of reasons not

2229
01:26:14,420 --> 01:26:12,420
necessarily involving well they're gonna

2230
01:26:17,180 --> 01:26:14,430
think we're crazy if we say we saw a UFO

2231
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:17,190
I think sometimes the officers may be of

2232
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:18,690
a mind to think that what they've seen

2233
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:20,490
is a military craft and that really it's

2234
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:22,890
going to be a imposition on national

2235
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:24,600
security if they talk about this and so

2236
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:28,110
I don't know what the specific chain of

2237
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:29,670
command or the or the if there are

2238
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:31,410
ordinances or anything that are actually

2239
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:32,760
presented to law enforcement it would be

2240
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:33,810
an interesting thing to try and ask

2241
01:26:39,170 --> 01:26:35,880
about in terms of if police officers

2242
01:26:41,210 --> 01:26:39,180
respond and see a craft that maybe some

2243
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:41,220
experimental US aircraft or something of

2244
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:42,990
that nature that they are to follow a

2245
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:44,280
certain protocol and this isn't to be

2246
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:45,780
made public I don't know if that exists

2247
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:47,220
but if that were the case I could

2248
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:48,570
understand why there are incidents that

2249
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:53,370
are not reported well here's that kind

2250
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:56,760
of dovetails into you know this segment

2251
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,250
the show is really going by quickly and

2252
01:27:02,110 --> 01:27:00,780
we've only got a couple three minutes

2253
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:02,120
here before we have to go to break but

2254
01:27:08,630 --> 01:27:05,250
but how about these mystery booms that

2255
01:27:09,739 --> 01:27:08,640
seem to ebb and flow through the last

2256
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:09,749
few years where

2257
01:27:16,039 --> 01:27:12,449
you have a wave of reports of mystery

2258
01:27:17,509 --> 01:27:16,049
booms and and even some recordings you

2259
01:27:18,829 --> 01:27:17,519
know you mentioned on the forum that

2260
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:18,839
you've really been doing some digging

2261
01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:21,329
into this and especially into the

2262
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:23,999
scientific you know aspect of this and

2263
01:27:28,759 --> 01:27:26,249
you know you've even got a website up

2264
01:27:30,919 --> 01:27:28,769
here mystery booms calm that has some of

2265
01:27:32,869 --> 01:27:30,929
you the results of your your you know

2266
01:27:35,209 --> 01:27:32,879
investigation what what can you tell us

2267
01:27:37,579 --> 01:27:35,219
about this I mean this is something that

2268
01:27:40,039 --> 01:27:37,589
I personally have not heard but I do

2269
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,049
trust that there is something to this

2270
01:27:44,449 --> 01:27:43,199
particular phenomenon and and there's

2271
01:27:45,349 --> 01:27:44,459
something kind of strange going on what

2272
01:27:47,029 --> 01:27:45,359
do you think's going on

2273
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:47,039
yeah and I'll try and be brief because I

2274
01:27:49,369 --> 01:27:48,239
know there's an awful lot to try and

2275
01:27:52,519 --> 01:27:49,379
cover and you're right the time is just

2276
01:27:54,979 --> 01:27:52,529
flying by um I had become interested in

2277
01:27:57,559 --> 01:27:54,989
the reports of booms during the last two

2278
01:27:59,179 --> 01:27:57,569
winters in which we had numerous reports

2279
01:28:01,459 --> 01:27:59,189
of booms I mean just report after report

2280
01:28:02,839 --> 01:28:01,469
every day in the news I created Google

2281
01:28:04,579 --> 01:28:02,849
News filters so that I could actually

2282
01:28:05,659 --> 01:28:04,589
track the reports and found that there

2283
01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:05,669
were other people doing the same sort of

2284
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:06,959
thing and using Google Maps and

2285
01:28:12,259 --> 01:28:10,289
satellite in order to track and and mark

2286
01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:12,269
locations for these booms occur which

2287
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:14,129
helps you spot a lot of trends for

2288
01:28:17,029 --> 01:28:15,329
instance notice that around the

2289
01:28:18,769 --> 01:28:17,039
Northeast and also particularly around

2290
01:28:22,459 --> 01:28:18,779
the Great Lakes if there are a lot of

2291
01:28:24,409 --> 01:28:22,469
booms and hence the popular explanation

2292
01:28:26,599 --> 01:28:24,419
for a lot of these was cryo seasons or

2293
01:28:28,579 --> 01:28:26,609
Frost quakes but I became very

2294
01:28:31,459 --> 01:28:28,589
interested especially in reports that

2295
01:28:32,749 --> 01:28:31,469
were occurring in the the central part

2296
01:28:34,579 --> 01:28:32,759
of the United States and also

2297
01:28:36,469 --> 01:28:34,589
specifically around parts of California

2298
01:28:37,639 --> 01:28:36,479
that occur throughout the year even in

2299
01:28:40,129 --> 01:28:37,649
the warmer weather months some of them

2300
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,139
tend to peak during the hottest months

2301
01:28:43,759 --> 01:28:42,239
and hence what you'll tend to find is

2302
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:43,769
that people will gravitate toward an

2303
01:28:47,239 --> 01:28:45,209
explanation and then they'll say that

2304
01:28:50,779 --> 01:28:47,249
this virtually explains all of the

2305
01:28:52,519 --> 01:28:50,789
reports and I felt that again many of

2306
01:28:53,599 --> 01:28:52,529
the more skeptical commentators were

2307
01:28:55,789 --> 01:28:53,609
getting a little ahead of themselves

2308
01:28:57,259 --> 01:28:55,799
with offering these explanations and so

2309
01:29:00,199 --> 01:28:57,269
I decided to try and look at their being

2310
01:29:02,539 --> 01:29:00,209
possible causes they may underlie not

2311
01:29:04,339 --> 01:29:02,549
all of the reports in terms of a single

2312
01:29:06,349 --> 01:29:04,349
explanation but whether there might be a

2313
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:06,359
variety of things that can constitute a

2314
01:29:10,909 --> 01:29:08,729
loud boom or similar anomalous noise in

2315
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:10,919
nature and what we find of course is

2316
01:29:15,049 --> 01:29:13,169
that you go back the Federation of

2317
01:29:16,309 --> 01:29:15,059
American scientists in the 1970s said

2318
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:16,319
that they were sonic booms from the

2319
01:29:20,809 --> 01:29:18,449
Concorde jet when in fact the boom

2320
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:20,819
reports actually well precede modern

2321
01:29:23,419 --> 01:29:22,289
aviation they date back hundreds of

2322
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:23,429
years they've been reported

2323
01:29:26,839 --> 01:29:24,659
over the world in Greenland there have

2324
01:29:28,759 --> 01:29:26,849
been the tund of Dubai the Seneca guns

2325
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,769
in New York you know we've got the

2326
01:29:32,379 --> 01:29:31,199
similar kind of a booming sand phenomena

2327
01:29:35,449 --> 01:29:32,389
on the Outer Banks of North Carolina

2328
01:29:36,679 --> 01:29:35,459
they call them yen in Japan they're

2329
01:29:38,569 --> 01:29:36,689
different names and other parts of the

2330
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,579
world mr. puffers I think is also a

2331
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:40,800
European term for it so which means

2332
01:29:45,250 --> 01:29:44,219
roughly Fogg belches and so obviously I

2333
01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:45,260
thought that there's a natural

2334
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:48,420
explanation for a lot of these and if

2335
01:29:52,279 --> 01:29:49,530
we're kinda we may be coming up on a

2336
01:29:54,140 --> 01:29:52,289
break out here you are we coming up I

2337
01:29:55,489 --> 01:29:54,150
don't want to yeah I'll tell you what

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stating a central bank issuing the

2409
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:33,659
public currency is a greater menace to

2410
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:34,800
the liberties of the people than a

2411
01:33:37,340 --> 01:33:35,610
standing army

2412
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:37,350
hi Ted Anderson I'm placing a silver

2413
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:39,090
dollar in a book explains our monetary

2414
01:33:44,649 --> 01:33:42,719
system call for your copy 800 686 to 237

2415
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:44,659
it's time to understand the system call

2416
01:33:50,730 --> 01:33:49,290
866 to 237 that's 800 686 to 237

2417
01:33:54,869 --> 01:33:50,740
[Music]

2418
01:33:57,089 --> 01:33:54,879
it's televised

2419
01:33:59,969 --> 01:33:57,099
hey neighbor what are you doing digging

2420
01:34:02,669 --> 01:33:59,979
you had a heart attack last year oh I

2421
01:34:04,469 --> 01:34:02,679
know I was told no more hard labor then

2422
01:34:06,569 --> 01:34:04,479
why are you digging well I've been

2423
01:34:09,029 --> 01:34:06,579
taking extended light it's been approved

2424
01:34:12,989 --> 01:34:09,039
to help my heart extender bite is that a

2425
01:34:14,729 --> 01:34:12,999
new drug no not a drug it's more like an

2426
01:34:17,909 --> 01:34:14,739
herbal combination made from garlic and

2427
01:34:19,349 --> 01:34:17,919
cayenne herbal how can that help well

2428
01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:19,359
actually we've taken herbs for thousands

2429
01:34:21,929 --> 01:34:21,340
of years an extended why just doing the

2430
01:34:24,209 --> 01:34:21,939
job for me

2431
01:34:26,489 --> 01:34:24,219
does your doctor know about extender

2432
01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:26,499
bite yeah my doctor knows and he said it

2433
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:27,820
seems to be working for you so don't

2434
01:34:30,509 --> 01:34:28,840
stop taking it

2435
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:30,519
I feel great take an extender bite I

2436
01:34:35,429 --> 01:34:33,010
don't want to stop to order call one

2437
01:34:37,889 --> 01:34:35,439
eight seven seven nine two eight eight

2438
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,899
eight two two that's one eight seven

2439
01:34:43,090 --> 01:34:40,239
seven nine two eight eight eight two two

2440
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:43,100
or visit our website at heart drop calm

2441
01:35:00,000 --> 01:34:56,609
hey this is Marie D Jones the author of

2442
01:35:02,549 --> 01:35:00,010
this book is from the future and you are

2443
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:02,559
listening to the podcast the gold

2444
01:35:10,919 --> 01:35:09,040
standard of paranormal radio we're

2445
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:10,929
lowering the boom folks on this segment

2446
01:35:15,379 --> 01:35:12,730
of the para cast with lots more to talk

2447
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:15,389
about with Micah Hanks and talking about

2448
01:35:21,930 --> 01:35:19,449
mystery booms mystery sounds now other

2449
01:35:25,290 --> 01:35:21,940
than Superman breaking the sound barrier

2450
01:35:27,930 --> 01:35:25,300
I think they sort of tried to do a Man

2451
01:35:29,010 --> 01:35:27,940
of Steel the latest Superman reboot from

2452
01:35:30,990 --> 01:35:29,020
a couple of years ago

2453
01:35:32,609 --> 01:35:31,000
all right is there a paranormal

2454
01:35:35,220 --> 01:35:32,619
connection anywhere that can be found

2455
01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:35,230
with this Michael thanks well I'll tell

2456
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:37,630
you this I didn't go into it trying to

2457
01:35:43,169 --> 01:35:40,239
look for a paranormal explanation

2458
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:43,179
obviously I go into it is I feel any

2459
01:35:48,270 --> 01:35:44,860
good researcher would do and I rather

2460
01:35:50,069 --> 01:35:48,280
than trying to just become a skeptical

2461
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:50,079
debunker because yeah you guys know I I

2462
01:35:54,450 --> 01:35:52,090
consider myself fundamentally skeptical

2463
01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:54,460
but I do think that there are instances

2464
01:35:59,399 --> 01:35:57,190
where modern debunkers by virtue of the

2465
01:36:00,750 --> 01:35:59,409
ideology it's important to debunk if it

2466
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:00,760
needs to be done you guys did that and

2467
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,590
helped you know they're the outcome of

2468
01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:04,960
an upcoming MUFON meeting by virtue of

2469
01:36:08,100 --> 01:36:06,820
doing that so it serves an important

2470
01:36:10,109 --> 01:36:08,110
purpose but when we get into an attitude

2471
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:10,119
where we think that everything that is

2472
01:36:14,069 --> 01:36:12,550
seemingly anomalous can be explained by

2473
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:14,079
virtue of debunking that's where we

2474
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:15,489
start encountering problems and what I

2475
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:17,050
found with the mystery booms reports is

2476
01:36:21,689 --> 01:36:19,780
that a number of commentators would

2477
01:36:23,819 --> 01:36:21,699
offer simple explanations usually

2478
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:23,829
geophysical in nature or seismic you

2479
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:26,770
know phenomena this although a plausible

2480
01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:28,750
solution to a number maybe even the

2481
01:36:32,069 --> 01:36:30,670
majority of the reports such as the

2482
01:36:33,899 --> 01:36:32,079
crown assassins that occur in the winter

2483
01:36:35,819 --> 01:36:33,909
months and I'll talk about more what

2484
01:36:37,950 --> 01:36:35,829
that is here in a moment but again that

2485
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:37,960
doesn't explain all of the reports and

2486
01:36:41,069 --> 01:36:39,790
so what my determination is is that

2487
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:41,079
there are a variety of causes and

2488
01:36:45,689 --> 01:36:43,449
conditions that are conducive to the

2489
01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:45,699
mystery booms as they're reported in a

2490
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:47,800
broader sense a Krauss azam again is

2491
01:36:51,089 --> 01:36:49,510
when you have groundwater that becomes

2492
01:36:54,450 --> 01:36:51,099
saturated usually prior to the first

2493
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:54,460
freeze of the year and often before snow

2494
01:36:57,689 --> 01:36:56,050
occurs because once you've had a nice

2495
01:36:59,459 --> 01:36:57,699
snowfall it actually helps in

2496
01:37:02,640 --> 01:36:59,469
like the ground somewhat and so if prior

2497
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,650
to a snowfall you have a good rain that

2498
01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:04,239
happens the ground becomes saturated and

2499
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:05,860
then a deep freeze occurs after the fact

2500
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:08,050
it can actually cause an explosive

2501
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:10,030
expansion that can imitate in a

2502
01:37:14,189 --> 01:37:11,590
thunderous crack when the earth actually

2503
01:37:17,069 --> 01:37:14,199
splits in conjunction with that freezing

2504
01:37:18,930 --> 01:37:17,079
happening you can feel this sometimes it

2505
01:37:22,140 --> 01:37:18,940
can actually often doesn't register in

2506
01:37:23,729 --> 01:37:22,150
terms of seismic activity which is kind

2507
01:37:24,689 --> 01:37:23,739
of misleading to people because many

2508
01:37:25,949 --> 01:37:24,699
times they think that they're

2509
01:37:27,989 --> 01:37:25,959
experiencing something that seismic

2510
01:37:29,219 --> 01:37:27,999
something like an earthquake and yet

2511
01:37:31,589 --> 01:37:29,229
they'll contact the geology department

2512
01:37:32,609 --> 01:37:31,599
at any University nearby and whatnot and

2513
01:37:34,199 --> 01:37:32,619
they'll say well you know it doesn't

2514
01:37:36,029 --> 01:37:34,209
appear to be anything seismic we're not

2515
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:36,039
seeing something that's indicative of an

2516
01:37:39,959 --> 01:37:38,110
earthquake often the tremors that result

2517
01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:39,969
are very localized and hence they aren't

2518
01:37:44,729 --> 01:37:41,639
something that's going to necessarily

2519
01:37:46,169 --> 01:37:44,739
appear to be seismic in nature so what

2520
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:46,179
we really got to be interesting to me

2521
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:47,530
was that in the warmer weather months

2522
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:49,510
why there are similar reports of booms

2523
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:51,400
occurring just as well and I've heard

2524
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:53,110
people talk about almost constant booms

2525
01:37:57,060 --> 01:37:55,090
reported in parts of California and

2526
01:38:00,359 --> 01:37:57,070
around the area of mother lode there was

2527
01:38:02,580 --> 01:38:00,369
a recent report where scientists had

2528
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:02,590
been pursuing the cause of some of these

2529
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:05,199
booms many had suggested and it's often

2530
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:08,170
the case that people look at you know

2531
01:38:12,270 --> 01:38:10,449
munitions or they go to a military I

2532
01:38:14,669 --> 01:38:12,280
should say military installations that

2533
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,679
are you know perhaps detonating surplus

2534
01:38:18,930 --> 01:38:17,199
explosives and things like this or just

2535
01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:18,940
working out any kind of operation that

2536
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:20,380
involves controlled blast sometimes

2537
01:38:24,029 --> 01:38:21,760
they're experimental in nature just as

2538
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:24,039
well the cause of the motherlode booms

2539
01:38:26,699 --> 01:38:25,360
they didn't think in any way this had

2540
01:38:28,859 --> 01:38:26,709
anything to do with the military test

2541
01:38:30,750 --> 01:38:28,869
site that was well over a hundred miles

2542
01:38:32,699 --> 01:38:30,760
away from where people were hearing

2543
01:38:35,759 --> 01:38:32,709
these booms and furthermore those

2544
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:35,769
personnel at the base in question had in

2545
01:38:39,899 --> 01:38:37,449
a recent interview said that well my

2546
01:38:43,259 --> 01:38:39,909
office I think the commander of the base

2547
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:43,269
in question had said my base or whether

2548
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:45,010
my office is 20 miles from the blast

2549
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,780
site and I very very seldom ever hear

2550
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:48,880
these things so what's interesting is I

2551
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:51,780
dug up this report that was titled

2552
01:38:55,979 --> 01:38:54,130
refraction of sound in the atmosphere

2553
01:38:57,839 --> 01:38:55,989
written by Thomas B Gabrielson from the

2554
01:38:59,729 --> 01:38:57,849
Applied Research Laboratory at the Penn

2555
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,739
State University and he dug up some

2556
01:39:05,759 --> 01:39:02,219
rather interesting descriptions of

2557
01:39:07,169 --> 01:39:05,769
reports dating back I mean centuries and

2558
01:39:09,629 --> 01:39:07,179
in fact the one that was really really

2559
01:39:10,990 --> 01:39:09,639
interesting I went back to we're

2560
01:39:12,130 --> 01:39:11,000
probably the eighteen

2561
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:12,140
this was reported during the American

2562
01:39:16,990 --> 01:39:14,780
Civil War but a paper published in 1974

2563
01:39:19,930 --> 01:39:17,000
actually made note of the instance it

2564
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:19,940
was featured a letter from our gh King

2565
01:39:23,740 --> 01:39:21,770
would watch the Battle of Gaines mill

2566
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:23,750
during the American Civil War this is

2567
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:25,160
what was mentioned in the report from

2568
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:28,250
1874 based on King's observation he said

2569
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:30,410
I distinctly saw a musket fire of both

2570
01:39:33,070 --> 01:39:31,040
lines

2571
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:33,080
I saw batteries of artillery on both

2572
01:39:36,940 --> 01:39:34,910
sides come into action and fire rapidly

2573
01:39:38,860 --> 01:39:36,950
yet looking for it near two hours from

2574
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:38,870
about five to seven p.m. on a midsummer

2575
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:40,190
afternoon at a battle in which at least

2576
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:41,840
fifty thousand men were actually engaged

2577
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:43,850
and doubtless at least a hundred pieces

2578
01:39:47,530 --> 01:39:46,010
of field artillery he said not a single

2579
01:39:49,570 --> 01:39:47,540
sound of the battle was audible to

2580
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:49,580
general general Randolph and myself

2581
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:51,230
however the cannonade of that very

2582
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:53,090
battle was distinctly heard at amherst

2583
01:39:57,850 --> 01:39:55,490
courthouse 100 miles west of Richmond is

2584
01:39:58,990 --> 01:39:57,860
I've been most credibly informed and so

2585
01:40:00,700 --> 01:39:59,000
people were trying to figure out why

2586
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:00,710
would people standing 20 miles away from

2587
01:40:04,150 --> 01:40:02,810
a battle and within sight say that they

2588
01:40:05,530 --> 01:40:04,160
didn't hear anything and yet a hundred

2589
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:05,540
miles away people are talking about whoa

2590
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:07,250
we could really hear this happening it's

2591
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:08,510
very similar to what was occurring

2592
01:40:12,670 --> 01:40:10,550
around motherlode that scientists have

2593
01:40:15,790 --> 01:40:12,680
recently determined is as a result of

2594
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:15,800
refraction of sound off the atmosphere

2595
01:40:19,630 --> 01:40:17,690
which can actually cause the loud

2596
01:40:20,980 --> 01:40:19,640
booming noises of explosions occurring

2597
01:40:22,780 --> 01:40:20,990
more than a hundred miles away to become

2598
01:40:24,670 --> 01:40:22,790
more prevalent a distance further away

2599
01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:24,680
from the blast site itself now what's

2600
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:25,820
also interesting about some of these

2601
01:40:29,530 --> 01:40:27,890
booms is that the California Institute

2602
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:29,540
of Technology did an investigation in

2603
01:40:33,490 --> 01:40:31,130
the 1990s with regard to some of the

2604
01:40:35,950 --> 01:40:33,500
nineteen uh actually a wave of booms

2605
01:40:38,350 --> 01:40:35,960
reported in the early 90s three 1991 and

2606
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:38,360
1993 specifically what they found was

2607
01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:40,910
that the seismic signatures of the

2608
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:43,100
sounds seem to be consistent with sonic

2609
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:45,290
booms produced by aircraft now what's

2610
01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:46,730
interesting is God's McKay our good

2611
01:40:50,050 --> 01:40:48,350
friend over on the forums had asked me

2612
01:40:51,850 --> 01:40:50,060
do you think that there's any indication

2613
01:40:54,150 --> 01:40:51,860
that some of these booms could be sonic

2614
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:54,160
in nature and possibly from aircraft

2615
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,630
that aren't on the books in other words

2616
01:40:59,950 --> 01:40:58,400
experimental aircraft what's interesting

2617
01:41:01,450 --> 01:40:59,960
about the Caltech paper and I've got

2618
01:41:01,780 --> 01:41:01,460
this linked in an article over Mystery

2619
01:41:04,030 --> 01:41:01,790
booms

2620
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:04,040
the researchers from Caltech said yes

2621
01:41:08,260 --> 01:41:06,410
absolutely based on the data and based

2622
01:41:09,850 --> 01:41:08,270
on the actual waveforms our

2623
01:41:11,140 --> 01:41:09,860
determination is that without question

2624
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:11,150
these are sonic booms from aircraft

2625
01:41:15,790 --> 01:41:13,850
however none of the booms were able to

2626
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:15,800
be correlated with any known Air Force

2627
01:41:19,060 --> 01:41:17,630
activity occurring over land or offshore

2628
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:19,070
which would have been more likely in

2629
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:20,570
this instance in conjunction with the

2630
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:21,950
times of the booms being reported so

2631
01:41:23,900 --> 01:41:22,970
they said that while we're sure they're

2632
01:41:25,790 --> 01:41:23,910
sonic booms week

2633
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,800
correlate them with any known Air Force

2634
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:27,600
or military operations so that begs the

2635
01:41:30,290 --> 01:41:28,800
question if they were correct in their

2636
01:41:32,180 --> 01:41:30,300
surmise 'el that we're talking about

2637
01:41:33,980 --> 01:41:32,190
booms what were the aircraft that we're

2638
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:33,990
producing them so I think that there is

2639
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:35,400
at least some precedent for the notion

2640
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:37,560
that there are aircraft in operation

2641
01:41:40,910 --> 01:41:39,210
that are traveling supersonically but

2642
01:41:42,710 --> 01:41:40,920
which maybe are involved in operations

2643
01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:42,720
that are not being communicated to the

2644
01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:44,670
public in other words possibly black ops

2645
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,440
possibly secret military operations

2646
01:41:50,030 --> 01:41:48,000
anything along those lines that seem to

2647
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:50,040
be what I took from that paper that the

2648
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:52,410
Caltech researchers wrote so in my

2649
01:41:55,580 --> 01:41:53,520
opinion there are a number of things

2650
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:55,590
ranging from sonic booms and also of

2651
01:41:58,760 --> 01:41:56,940
course the you know refraction of sound

2652
01:42:01,010 --> 01:41:58,770
in the atmosphere and yes at times

2653
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:01,020
sometimes geological or geophysical

2654
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:02,850
phenomena seismic phenomena that can

2655
01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:04,530
account for the the varieties of a

2656
01:42:07,610 --> 01:42:05,940
different booms that are reported but

2657
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:07,620
we've got to be very careful that we

2658
01:42:10,700 --> 01:42:09,300
don't leap to conclusions when we're

2659
01:42:12,650 --> 01:42:10,710
trying to explain these things because

2660
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:12,660
often people in there as well intended

2661
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,460
but often with they're skeptical kind of

2662
01:42:18,170 --> 01:42:16,320
exuberance they they want to just offer

2663
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:18,180
an explanation and say this is anything

2664
01:42:21,890 --> 01:42:20,430
but UFOs by definition we might say that

2665
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,900
there could be some mystery aircraft

2666
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:23,520
associated with some of the boom reports

2667
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:24,840
but that doesn't necessarily mean that

2668
01:42:27,950 --> 01:42:26,430
they're flying saucers causing them so

2669
01:42:29,780 --> 01:42:27,960
that's the closest I think I come to

2670
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,790
something anomalous I don't think it's

2671
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:30,960
paranormal but those are my

2672
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:32,280
determinations and you can read more at

2673
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:34,260
mystery booms comm what about these

2674
01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:37,170
trumpet sounds another interesting sort

2675
01:42:42,170 --> 01:42:39,300
of correlation to the mystery booms or

2676
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:42,180
what people describe is like loud sort

2677
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:45,450
of brassy trumpet sounds I think a more

2678
01:42:49,490 --> 01:42:48,330
rare but I've heard recordings of some

2679
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:49,500
of them and I can't figure out what it

2680
01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:51,930
is maybe Gabriel blowing his horn or

2681
01:42:56,420 --> 01:42:54,450
something have you looked into this

2682
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:56,430
particular aspect I certainly have and

2683
01:42:59,930 --> 01:42:57,930
I've found it very interesting the way

2684
01:43:01,670 --> 01:42:59,940
that a lot of the tabloids preach it

2685
01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:01,680
kind of gloom and doom doomsday kind of

2686
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:02,340
end of the world

2687
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:04,290
prophecy sort of thing in conjunction

2688
01:43:08,210 --> 01:43:05,730
with a lot of this and I think a lot of

2689
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:08,220
people do interpret strange phenomena

2690
01:43:11,710 --> 01:43:09,450
that they perceive in nature as being

2691
01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:11,720
something maybe eschatological or

2692
01:43:15,980 --> 01:43:13,830
representative of the end times let's

2693
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:15,990
not forget however that when when they

2694
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:17,610
initially observed the object hovering

2695
01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:19,560
over the Texas highway that baked ash

2696
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,820
and Vickie Landrum said they thought

2697
01:43:25,130 --> 01:43:22,080
that it was the end of the world right

2698
01:43:26,990 --> 01:43:25,140
many times you you see people in for

2699
01:43:29,180 --> 01:43:27,000
Tiana and in you know representations of

2700
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:29,190
mystery objects or sounds or anything

2701
01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:30,900
like that that if it's something so

2702
01:43:34,370 --> 01:43:32,640
seemingly implausible that they equate

2703
01:43:36,380 --> 01:43:34,380
it with being something religious or

2704
01:43:37,879 --> 01:43:36,390
even possibly with the end of the world

2705
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:37,889
so that's not uncommon

2706
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,689
but what I will point out is that in

2707
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:42,179
some of the reports in Canada that

2708
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,249
involved these noises they had been

2709
01:43:48,949 --> 01:43:46,800
reports for a couple of years and in

2710
01:43:51,139 --> 01:43:48,959
fact it was the same woman a couple of

2711
01:43:53,089 --> 01:43:51,149
years apart who had been reporting and

2712
01:43:55,429 --> 01:43:53,099
recording with her smartphone these

2713
01:43:57,799 --> 01:43:55,439
strange noises a subsequent video

2714
01:43:59,330 --> 01:43:57,809
uploaded on YouTube of all places that

2715
01:44:01,399 --> 01:43:59,340
someone sent to me showed that in

2716
01:44:02,989 --> 01:44:01,409
conjunction with the noises just over

2717
01:44:05,060 --> 01:44:02,999
the hill in this little municipality

2718
01:44:07,129 --> 01:44:05,070
there indeed was a large parking lot

2719
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:07,139
that was being graded quite clearly you

2720
01:44:09,979 --> 01:44:08,729
can see the guy goes down to the to the

2721
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:09,989
treeline and films

2722
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:12,449
the grater with its metal blade dragging

2723
01:44:15,739 --> 01:44:14,489
against the the submit' of the parking

2724
01:44:17,899 --> 01:44:15,749
lot and you can see this is clearly

2725
01:44:19,879 --> 01:44:17,909
what's creating the noise which is funny

2726
01:44:22,729 --> 01:44:19,889
because we do know that trains can cause

2727
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:22,739
the same noise if a train in a train

2728
01:44:26,839 --> 01:44:25,320
yard with its brakes engaged is moving

2729
01:44:28,759 --> 01:44:26,849
you can actually see that in their

2730
01:44:30,979 --> 01:44:28,769
videos online that showed this they

2731
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:30,989
showed that the that the noise of very

2732
01:44:34,219 --> 01:44:32,249
similar noise can be produced as a

2733
01:44:35,959 --> 01:44:34,229
result of the middle scraping and my

2734
01:44:37,969 --> 01:44:35,969
friend Sharon hill of doubtful moos had

2735
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,979
come to the mystery booms website when i

2736
01:44:40,969 --> 01:44:39,360
read an article about this that linked

2737
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,979
to the video showing the grater and she

2738
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:42,239
said i don't know why this came up and

2739
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:43,530
why people are talking about this again

2740
01:44:47,959 --> 01:44:45,449
we already determined it was a train and

2741
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,969
i said hey you know and I've been

2742
01:44:50,569 --> 01:44:49,199
reading an article that she'd written

2743
01:44:52,009 --> 01:44:50,579
about that just earlier that day and I

2744
01:44:53,389 --> 01:44:52,019
said you're absolutely right trains do

2745
01:44:55,339 --> 01:44:53,399
make that noise but the official

2746
01:44:57,529 --> 01:44:55,349
explanation that the city had given in

2747
01:44:59,389 --> 01:44:57,539
this instance was that it was the metal

2748
01:45:00,679 --> 01:44:59,399
blades of the graders so that was

2749
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:00,689
consistent with what appears in the

2750
01:45:05,540 --> 01:45:03,209
video and with what the city officials

2751
01:45:06,979 --> 01:45:05,550
had said and again in fairness I just

2752
01:45:09,020 --> 01:45:06,989
wanted to point out that Sherman wasn't

2753
01:45:10,879 --> 01:45:09,030
wrong with that noise can be produced by

2754
01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:10,889
a train but in this instance we don't

2755
01:45:13,879 --> 01:45:12,179
want to jump to that conclusion that

2756
01:45:15,919 --> 01:45:13,889
well if this can make the noise that's

2757
01:45:18,469 --> 01:45:15,929
what the noise is let's do our break

2758
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:18,479
here we'll search for the blooms a

2759
01:45:22,669 --> 01:45:20,249
little bit more in our next segment with

2760
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:22,679
Micah Hanks and Jane Chris you're in the

2761
01:45:32,980 --> 01:45:30,110
free from the shackles of Corporate

2762
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:32,990
America we're the place for independent

2763
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:38,730
thinkers first game attack of the rock

2764
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:40,110
codes and it was a critically acclaimed

2765
01:45:44,210 --> 01:45:42,570
success and now there's the coming of

2766
01:45:46,730 --> 01:45:44,220
the protectors a former military

2767
01:45:48,980 --> 01:45:46,740
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2768
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:48,990
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2769
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:51,570
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2770
01:45:54,140 --> 01:45:53,010
our distant planet are planning to

2771
01:45:56,510 --> 01:45:54,150
conquer the earth

2772
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:56,520
this is gripping science fiction of the

2773
01:46:01,040 --> 01:45:58,980
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2774
01:46:03,620 --> 01:46:01,050
and the coming of the protectors find

2775
01:46:07,580 --> 01:46:03,630
out more at Rocko it's calm that's rock

2776
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:07,590
oh it's our Ock oids calm see here's

2777
01:46:12,170 --> 01:46:09,330
what happened I was placing an order

2778
01:46:14,810 --> 01:46:12,180
online the site went down it just

2779
01:46:16,700 --> 01:46:14,820
stopped responding it took hours before

2780
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:16,710
it returned but I'd already placed the

2781
01:46:21,020 --> 01:46:18,450
order with another company if your site

2782
01:46:22,580 --> 01:46:21,030
goes down you could lose business and if

2783
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,590
you have a business or personal site

2784
01:46:28,430 --> 01:46:24,960
you'll want to know it's easy to run and

2785
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:28,440
it will stay online at I web your site

2786
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:31,110
is hosted on one of the most reliable

2787
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:34,410
networks in the world check it out I web

2788
01:46:42,230 --> 01:46:40,290
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2789
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:42,240
commuting to a job that makes someone

2790
01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:44,760
else rich working harder than ever but

2791
01:46:48,350 --> 01:46:46,020
getting nowhere

2792
01:46:51,410 --> 01:46:48,360
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2793
01:46:53,740 --> 01:46:51,420
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2794
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:53,750
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2796
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2797
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2798
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2799
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2801
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2802
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2804
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2805
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:21,300
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2806
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2807
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2810
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2811
01:47:40,150 --> 01:47:45,540
[Music]

2812
01:47:52,689 --> 01:47:48,970
welcome back to to the para cast the

2813
01:48:01,780 --> 01:47:52,699
gold standard of paranormal radio and

2814
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:01,790
now here's Jane Steinberg they say pop

2815
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:03,170
goes the weasel what do you say about

2816
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,730
booms lowering the boom Micah Hank's I

2817
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:09,440
guess you could say any number of things

2818
01:48:14,530 --> 01:48:11,780
by the way but what about the whales

2819
01:48:17,260 --> 01:48:14,540
we've had quite a number of whale

2820
01:48:22,510 --> 01:48:17,270
beachings this is a whale of a question

2821
01:48:24,910 --> 01:48:22,520
by the way yeah thanks yeah anyway you

2822
01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:24,920
know I've been kind of worried about the

2823
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,260
Pacific Ocean I think the Fukushima

2824
01:48:34,510 --> 01:48:30,080
radiation leakage into the Pacific is

2825
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,520
one of the most underreported stories of

2826
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:36,560
the last hundred years I'm very

2827
01:48:42,130 --> 01:48:40,310
concerned about the health and vibrancy

2828
01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:42,140
of the Pacific Ocean as a result of

2829
01:48:47,740 --> 01:48:44,030
trillions of hot particles being

2830
01:48:50,740 --> 01:48:47,750
deposited into into this wonderful

2831
01:48:53,860 --> 01:48:50,750
ecosystem but we've been seeing lately

2832
01:48:55,540 --> 01:48:53,870
more and more whale beachings of course

2833
01:48:57,670 --> 01:48:55,550
they've always occurred from time to

2834
01:49:00,490 --> 01:48:57,680
time there have been theories about you

2835
01:49:02,740 --> 01:49:00,500
know Navy sonar training exercises and

2836
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:02,750
and war game simulations that sort of

2837
01:49:07,020 --> 01:49:04,730
thing with very powerful sonar is

2838
01:49:10,689 --> 01:49:07,030
screwing up the whales ability to

2839
01:49:13,810 --> 01:49:10,699
communicate they become disoriented they

2840
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:13,820
live in a highly refined acoustic

2841
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:15,890
environment but we've been seeing more

2842
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:19,010
and more beachings lately and I think in

2843
01:49:25,090 --> 01:49:21,890
one of your suggestions here at forum

2844
01:49:27,220 --> 01:49:25,100
dr. Peric ascom you're looking into the

2845
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:27,230
possibility that deep underwater

2846
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:29,090
earthquakes may somehow also be

2847
01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:31,130
contributing to this problem there

2848
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:32,750
haven't been as far as I know any any

2849
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:35,090
scientific determinations made that you

2850
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:36,400
know absolutely without question

2851
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:38,630
suggests a causal correlation between

2852
01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:40,670
earthquake phenomena and whale beachings

2853
01:49:46,630 --> 01:49:43,400
but again what has been proposed at

2854
01:49:47,770 --> 01:49:46,640
times is that the notion that I want to

2855
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:47,780
be very clear in stating that because

2856
01:49:52,209 --> 01:49:49,730
this is speculative but the point here

2857
01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:52,219
to be made is that in many instances

2858
01:49:56,020 --> 01:49:53,900
preceding earthquakes there have been

2859
01:49:57,550 --> 01:49:56,030
circumstances where sometimes massive

2860
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:57,560
whale beachings and also I think would

2861
01:50:00,490 --> 01:49:58,190
have been

2862
01:50:01,810 --> 01:50:00,500
everything from bottlenose dolphins to

2863
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:01,820
think there's also what's known

2864
01:50:08,170 --> 01:50:04,610
colloquially as the melon-headed dolphin

2865
01:50:10,420 --> 01:50:08,180
that is a deeper ocean of species but

2866
01:50:12,820 --> 01:50:10,430
there was an incident of preceding him

2867
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:12,830
one of the more tragic tsunamis that

2868
01:50:17,260 --> 01:50:14,690
occurred in recent years off the coast

2869
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:17,270
of Japan that was preceded by a pretty

2870
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:20,060
massive beaching of dolphins along these

2871
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:20,570
lines

2872
01:50:24,700 --> 01:50:22,489
there was also although it thank God

2873
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:24,710
didn't result in a tsunami earlier this

2874
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:26,210
year there was a deep ocean earthquake

2875
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:28,370
that was reported off the coast of South

2876
01:50:33,370 --> 01:50:30,650
Eastern Japan and that was preceded by a

2877
01:50:36,189 --> 01:50:33,380
number of whale beachings not only in

2878
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:36,199
Australia and also along southern Japan

2879
01:50:39,550 --> 01:50:37,910
as opposed there in the recuse area but

2880
01:50:42,820 --> 01:50:39,560
also I think off the coast of California

2881
01:50:44,530 --> 01:50:42,830
just as well marine biologists had noted

2882
01:50:46,510 --> 01:50:44,540
that there was a greater incidence of

2883
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,520
whale beachings for this time of the

2884
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,320
year and though in the past that there

2885
01:50:51,670 --> 01:50:50,000
are certain migratory paths that certain

2886
01:50:53,290 --> 01:50:51,680
the species will follow especially when

2887
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:53,300
they're you know headed north from

2888
01:50:56,620 --> 01:50:54,890
Mexico and they head up toward Alaska

2889
01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:56,630
and whatnot so it's it's customary that

2890
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:58,489
certain times the year during these

2891
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:00,650
migratory patterns that there gonna be

2892
01:51:04,570 --> 01:51:02,210
some beachings but I mean we're talking

2893
01:51:05,950 --> 01:51:04,580
about I think four where one or two

2894
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:05,960
would be expected this time of the year

2895
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:08,239
and in in any normal circumstance we

2896
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:09,530
have something to the tune of twelve or

2897
01:51:13,150 --> 01:51:11,690
fourteen in which case we seem to be

2898
01:51:16,630 --> 01:51:13,160
observing something that is greater than

2899
01:51:18,250 --> 01:51:16,640
than average and so that's I think you

2900
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:18,260
know fairly significant especially when

2901
01:51:22,209 --> 01:51:19,850
we do find that these beachings but

2902
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,219
maybe by a few weeks at a time we'll

2903
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:25,040
tend to precede the earthquakes and so I

2904
01:51:29,979 --> 01:51:27,530
believe that someone had suggested a

2905
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:29,989
study be actually carried out to see if

2906
01:51:34,209 --> 01:51:31,610
animals may be capable of detecting

2907
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:34,219
earthquakes and you know again skeptical

2908
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:36,110
commentator that I read a lot of his

2909
01:51:39,550 --> 01:51:37,130
work and actually like a lot of his work

2910
01:51:42,490 --> 01:51:39,560
Benjamin Radford and tweeted saying good

2911
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:42,500
luck proving that and I'm thinking I

2912
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:44,690
understand the skepticism but again I'm

2913
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:46,010
not just trying to attack skeptics by

2914
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:47,150
the way because note I mentioned a lot

2915
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:48,890
of them are my friends in a respect and

2916
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,910
we stay in touch and we try and

2917
01:51:53,950 --> 01:51:51,440
correspond and share good information

2918
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:53,960
with each other but but I think that you

2919
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:55,520
know we can be so skeptical sometimes

2920
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,650
what if one day we do find that as a

2921
01:52:02,590 --> 01:51:59,840
result of the directional orientation

2922
01:52:03,310 --> 01:52:02,600
utilized by various forms of biology on

2923
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:03,320
planet Earth

2924
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,810
when geophysical phenomena occurs that

2925
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:08,000
directional sense that honing ability is

2926
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:11,239
some effected and thus these animals you

2927
01:52:13,450 --> 01:52:12,050
know get a little

2928
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:13,460
little I don't know what you say

2929
01:52:16,660 --> 01:52:15,050
disoriented I guess and then they become

2930
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:16,670
disoriented and bad things contend to

2931
01:52:20,319 --> 01:52:18,650
happen we see it with birds fish whales

2932
01:52:22,270 --> 01:52:20,329
a variety of different animals that

2933
01:52:24,220 --> 01:52:22,280
don't think we have to be necessarily so

2934
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:24,230
skeptical that we rule out what appears

2935
01:52:28,689 --> 01:52:26,449
to be statistically significant but

2936
01:52:30,129 --> 01:52:28,699
again to underscore all that I don't

2937
01:52:31,569 --> 01:52:30,139
know that the science necessarily

2938
01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:31,579
indicates that there is a connection but

2939
01:52:34,689 --> 01:52:33,320
it certainly seems to be the case that

2940
01:52:36,910 --> 01:52:34,699
when these whale beachings occurs there

2941
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:36,920
they precede earthquake activity I do

2942
01:52:40,180 --> 01:52:39,170
think it's time we try to take seriously

2943
01:52:41,859 --> 01:52:40,190
the notion that there may be a

2944
01:52:45,129 --> 01:52:41,869
connection and trying to apply some good

2945
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:45,139
science to that I totally agree and also

2946
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:49,010
the the huge orifice which are deep

2947
01:52:52,810 --> 01:52:51,290
dwelling fish that that can grow up to

2948
01:52:55,780 --> 01:52:52,820
fifty feet long I mean there's some

2949
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:55,790
fairly famous photographs online where I

2950
01:53:00,220 --> 01:52:57,770
think there's one group of like 30 or 40

2951
01:53:03,850 --> 01:53:00,230
sailors or holding this gigantic or fish

2952
01:53:06,700 --> 01:53:03,860
and they rarely surface if ever and

2953
01:53:08,979 --> 01:53:06,710
there's I guess of Japanese legendary

2954
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:08,989
tradition that when or fish are found on

2955
01:53:13,149 --> 01:53:11,090
the beach that's an indication that

2956
01:53:15,819 --> 01:53:13,159
there are earthquakes impending

2957
01:53:17,950 --> 01:53:15,829
earthquakes ready to happen we've had a

2958
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:17,960
couple of them off the California coast

2959
01:53:21,700 --> 01:53:20,530
and last I don't know I think two years

2960
01:53:23,890 --> 01:53:21,710
year-and-a-half

2961
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:23,900
possibly a huge or fish that are being

2962
01:53:28,589 --> 01:53:26,030
beached and and there's been some in

2963
01:53:31,330 --> 01:53:28,599
Japan and you know if there's some

2964
01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:31,340
wonderful sort of ancient insight into

2965
01:53:38,589 --> 01:53:34,630
this particular portent if you will

2966
01:53:41,290 --> 01:53:38,599
California may be in for the Hayward

2967
01:53:44,939 --> 01:53:41,300
Fault for instance may be letting loose

2968
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:44,949
or possibly the Cascadia subduction zone

2969
01:53:50,890 --> 01:53:48,050
or something yeah god forbid that should

2970
01:53:53,649 --> 01:53:50,900
happen yeah absolutely and I'll be

2971
01:53:56,169 --> 01:53:53,659
honest - is you know studying the

2972
01:53:57,459 --> 01:53:56,179
possible seismic connections and whatnot

2973
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:57,469
in relation to these mystery boom

2974
01:54:00,430 --> 01:53:58,610
reports is kind of what got me

2975
01:54:02,290 --> 01:54:00,440
interested because I was spending a lot

2976
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:02,300
of time at the website of the US

2977
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:05,210
Geological Service or survey and of

2978
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,280
course I'm always followed USGS reports

2979
01:54:10,750 --> 01:54:09,440
because the earliest report but this is

2980
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:10,760
a subject near and dear to my heart the

2981
01:54:14,290 --> 01:54:11,599
Brown mountain lines

2982
01:54:16,209 --> 01:54:14,300
the earliest scientific report that

2983
01:54:18,430 --> 01:54:16,219
sought to explain what the cause of the

2984
01:54:21,220 --> 01:54:18,440
lines were was george mansfield report

2985
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:21,230
that was published in a usgs circular

2986
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,690
that sought to explain the lights based

2987
01:54:28,150 --> 01:54:25,760
on the the the

2988
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,160
currents of or rather I guess the the

2989
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,320
appearance of railroads in the region

2990
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:32,480
that doesn't meet all the criteria for

2991
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:33,920
explaining the lights because I have to

2992
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:35,480
have at least a few good photographs

2993
01:54:39,670 --> 01:54:37,970
that depict an anomalous aerial

2994
01:54:41,190 --> 01:54:39,680
illuminations occurring at night which

2995
01:54:44,380 --> 01:54:41,200
are well above the ridge line and hence

2996
01:54:46,570 --> 01:54:44,390
would not to me I guess we could we

2997
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:46,580
could look at the what Oh Ryan the the

2998
01:54:49,900 --> 01:54:48,590
group of amateur scientists some of them

2999
01:54:51,580 --> 01:54:49,910
actually they called them so that

3000
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:51,590
amateur scientists but many of them were

3001
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:52,880
engineers and scientists working at Oak

3002
01:54:57,550 --> 01:54:55,040
Ridge National Labs but the Orion group

3003
01:54:59,110 --> 01:54:57,560
back in the 70s one of the guys whom I

3004
01:55:01,390 --> 01:54:59,120
actually spoke with they did notice that

3005
01:55:03,550 --> 01:55:01,400
they could you know fire like a thousand

3006
01:55:04,810 --> 01:55:03,560
candle light above the ridge and on the

3007
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:04,820
opposite side of it appears there were

3008
01:55:09,340 --> 01:55:07,010
red globe or hovering over a ridge lines

3009
01:55:11,470 --> 01:55:09,350
the refractions of ground-based lights

3010
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:11,480
could account for some of the reports of

3011
01:55:14,770 --> 01:55:13,130
lights seen in the Linville Gorge but

3012
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:14,780
you know I think that natural plasmas

3013
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:15,890
and things akin to earth lights

3014
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:18,410
earthquake lights or ball lightning

3015
01:55:21,850 --> 01:55:20,330
seems like a more plausible scenario

3016
01:55:23,010 --> 01:55:21,860
based on the observations and some of

3017
01:55:24,940 --> 01:55:23,020
the photos I've seen but nonetheless

3018
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,950
when you spend a lot of time looking at

3019
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:26,560
geological data you do come across

3020
01:55:29,890 --> 01:55:28,010
interpretations of some of these

3021
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:29,900
anomalous phenomena which is I think

3022
01:55:33,130 --> 01:55:31,370
kind of what led me to looking at the

3023
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:33,140
earthquake connection with the whales as

3024
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:34,850
well so it's funny how all this stuff's

3025
01:55:38,260 --> 01:55:36,380
kind of interrelated at times but again

3026
01:55:40,270 --> 01:55:38,270
I find more and more that you'll find so

3027
01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:40,280
much good fodder for for study of

3028
01:55:44,530 --> 01:55:42,980
anomalies in good scientific literature

3029
01:55:46,180 --> 01:55:44,540
but most people don't go looking for

3030
01:55:48,190 --> 01:55:46,190
that and hence they don't even know that

3031
01:55:49,450 --> 01:55:48,200
it exists which brings us of course yeah

3032
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:49,460
you have to wade through the

3033
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:53,210
non-entertainment to get to to get to

3034
01:55:56,980 --> 01:55:55,010
the point you know if it's not

3035
01:55:59,080 --> 01:55:56,990
entertaining most people I think in

3036
01:56:02,620 --> 01:55:59,090
general you know their eyes glaze over

3037
01:56:04,510 --> 01:56:02,630
and they kind of like you know click for

3038
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:04,520
the next page or whatever which is why

3039
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:06,410
you and gene and I don't get asked to be

3040
01:56:11,770 --> 01:56:09,350
on more these TV shows see actually I

3041
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:11,780
got close to being asked on one TV show

3042
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:16,190
and they filmed me asking questions of

3043
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,850
one of the hosts that show but never

3044
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:21,920
aired that I know about if it did tell

3045
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:25,280
me folks you know it was actually an

3046
01:56:32,350 --> 01:56:28,970
episode of the UFO hunters and Bill

3047
01:56:34,420 --> 01:56:32,360
burns one of the roving hosts or

3048
01:56:36,460 --> 01:56:34,430
narrators or something had come to

3049
01:56:39,130 --> 01:56:36,470
Phoenix and I think they were doing a

3050
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:39,140
Phoenix lights episode but it turned out

3051
01:56:40,959 --> 01:56:39,530
I

3052
01:56:42,970 --> 01:56:40,969
wasn't the best person to ask about

3053
01:56:45,549 --> 01:56:42,980
Phoenix lights I never saw the Phoenix

3054
01:56:48,609 --> 01:56:45,559
lights when the Phoenix likes occurred I

3055
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:48,619
was busy at home watching TV that

3056
01:56:53,439 --> 01:56:51,050
evening about something totally

3057
01:56:57,339 --> 01:56:53,449
unrelated that I wasn't watching the

3058
01:56:59,939 --> 01:56:57,349
NCAA finals or the basketball finals you

3059
01:57:03,490 --> 01:56:59,949
see the lights didn't like us that's it

3060
01:57:07,180 --> 01:57:03,500
the force behind the lights did not make

3061
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:07,190
a single effort to go ahead and alert us

3062
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:08,690
that something weird was going on

3063
01:57:12,580 --> 01:57:10,480
because if they did you know Chris and I

3064
01:57:15,010 --> 01:57:12,590
separately wherever we were at the time

3065
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:15,020
would have gone out and taking a look at

3066
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:17,210
things I was in Casa Grande they flew

3067
01:57:22,419 --> 01:57:20,480
right over my motel and they waved at

3068
01:57:23,890 --> 01:57:22,429
you Chris didn't just see that listen

3069
01:57:26,010 --> 01:57:23,900
we've got Micah Hanks of the graylien

3070
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report if you go to graylien report.com

3071
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just like it sounds

3072
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he'll check out his site and his

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3163
02:02:04,430 --> 02:02:02,460
sounding disgusted that you couldn't see

3164
02:02:06,830 --> 02:02:04,440
the phoenix lights you hear that Tony's

3165
02:02:08,090 --> 02:02:06,840
voice oh yeah well one thing we should

3166
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:08,100
say about Phoenix lights if you guys

3167
02:02:11,390 --> 02:02:10,170
want to bring that up is that again some

3168
02:02:13,310 --> 02:02:11,400
of the reports seem to indicate that

3169
02:02:14,930 --> 02:02:13,320
there was a large triangular-shaped

3170
02:02:16,430 --> 02:02:14,940
aircraft yet again that was being

3171
02:02:18,830 --> 02:02:16,440
observed much like what was reported

3172
02:02:20,690 --> 02:02:18,840
over Stephenville years ago much like

3173
02:02:22,970 --> 02:02:20,700
what was reported of illinois and the in

3174
02:02:24,500 --> 02:02:22,980
the incident that we discussed with

3175
02:02:27,650 --> 02:02:24,510
regard to the police officers back in

3176
02:02:29,090 --> 02:02:27,660
2001 and again somebody i like and i

3177
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:29,100
correspond with from time to time and

3178
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:30,840
he's been a guest on this program and we

3179
02:02:34,700 --> 02:02:32,400
asked some hard questions of Robert

3180
02:02:36,260 --> 02:02:34,710
Shaffer when he was on this program with

3181
02:02:38,500 --> 02:02:36,270
you guys he had said the Phoenix lights

3182
02:02:41,060 --> 02:02:38,510
without question can be easily explained

3183
02:02:42,710 --> 02:02:41,070
you know again I I kind of go back and

3184
02:02:45,140 --> 02:02:42,720
forth on that point that the whole thing

3185
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:45,150
can just be very easily explained I mean

3186
02:02:49,190 --> 02:02:47,520
you guys feel that the Phoenix lights is

3187
02:02:50,570 --> 02:02:49,200
something that's purely explainable that

3188
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:50,580
there's nothing to it or were there

3189
02:02:53,420 --> 02:02:52,050
actually some objects being seen I know

3190
02:02:55,919 --> 02:02:53,430
Peter Davenport seems to think that

3191
02:03:01,080 --> 02:02:58,919
at least personally I do and the event

3192
02:03:03,780 --> 02:03:01,090
occurred about 45 minutes to an hour

3193
02:03:05,610 --> 02:03:03,790
before the famous footage of the

3194
02:03:10,919 --> 02:03:05,620
newscasters standing in front of the

3195
02:03:13,770 --> 02:03:10,929
Australian mountaintop and what are

3196
02:03:15,419 --> 02:03:13,780
obvious to me to be flares or the famous

3197
02:03:18,270 --> 02:03:15,429
image that everybody has of the Phoenix

3198
02:03:20,340 --> 02:03:18,280
lights incident however the real event

3199
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:20,350
happened 45 minutes before those flares

3200
02:03:24,540 --> 02:03:21,790
were ever sent up there by Luke Air

3201
02:03:26,850 --> 02:03:24,550
Force Base or whomever right yeah and I

3202
02:03:28,350 --> 02:03:26,860
don't doubt that possibly flares may be

3203
02:03:29,610 --> 02:03:28,360
involved in some way but again there

3204
02:03:31,020 --> 02:03:29,620
were some reports again you know Fife

3205
02:03:32,430 --> 02:03:31,030
Symington you know even saying look

3206
02:03:34,260 --> 02:03:32,440
there was great big triangular shaped

3207
02:03:35,729 --> 02:03:34,270
object that passed over me and that he

3208
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:35,739
hadn't seen this thing just as well

3209
02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:37,330
and correct me if I'm wrong that is what

3210
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:38,320
he said right I'm not I'm not

3211
02:03:42,510 --> 02:03:40,090
confabulating he did describe a

3212
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:42,520
triangular shaped roughly triangular or

3213
02:03:47,370 --> 02:03:44,290
Chevron shaped sort of an object very

3214
02:03:47,970 --> 02:03:47,380
large that he observed him you know yeah

3215
02:03:49,620 --> 02:03:47,980
that's correct

3216
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:49,630
yeah so you know by the way I don't want

3217
02:03:53,820 --> 02:03:51,610
to Bob Shafer I have a lot of respect

3218
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:53,830
for him we don't always agree on things

3219
02:03:57,209 --> 02:03:55,690
but you know that was one of my favorite

3220
02:03:58,890 --> 02:03:57,219
episodes of this show was when he was on

3221
02:04:00,899 --> 02:03:58,900
and again we have a lot of common ground

3222
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:00,909
like he pointed out on that episode

3223
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:02,650
where I had said I didn't like Philip

3224
02:04:06,630 --> 02:04:05,110
Glass sayin UFOs can be explained as

3225
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:06,640
ball lightning in other words you know

3226
02:04:10,169 --> 02:04:08,530
presenting another little known or

3227
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:10,179
little understood phenomena in exchange

3228
02:04:13,890 --> 02:04:11,890
from other two which Schaefer said

3229
02:04:15,450 --> 02:04:13,900
absolutely I agree with Myka so you know

3230
02:04:16,919 --> 02:04:15,460
of my skeptical brother and I say

3231
02:04:18,270 --> 02:04:16,929
sometimes we have to kind of butt heads

3232
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:18,280
from time to time in order to find the

3233
02:04:21,450 --> 02:04:19,690
common ground so that we can make more

3234
02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:21,460
plausible and rational determinations

3235
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:22,630
about what we're looking at so I just

3236
02:04:27,479 --> 02:04:24,330
wanted to throw that in there well I

3237
02:04:30,090 --> 02:04:27,489
encountered Bob at the back of the room

3238
02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:30,100
and at the UFO Congress and he was

3239
02:04:35,970 --> 02:04:33,250
snoring rather loudly during a Stanton

3240
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:35,980
Friedman's presentation and I know

3241
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:38,890
actually I think it was Mark Pilkington

3242
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:40,719
and I went over and nudged him and said

3243
02:04:44,970 --> 02:04:43,330
hey are you taking notes and he he

3244
02:04:47,820 --> 02:04:44,980
pretended like he hadn't been asleep oh

3245
02:04:51,060 --> 02:04:47,830
yeah oh yeah I'm listening no okay a

3246
02:04:52,709 --> 02:04:51,070
little laugh at his expense well I got

3247
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:52,719
to tell you I noticed the same thing

3248
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:54,850
once that the paradigm symposium that

3249
02:04:58,410 --> 02:04:57,010
there was a lecture being given and PZ

3250
02:05:00,810 --> 02:04:58,420
Myers had been there that year you were

3251
02:05:03,810 --> 02:05:00,820
there Chris and there's PZ Myers sitting

3252
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:03,820
there asleep in the audience so I went

3253
02:05:07,530 --> 02:05:05,199
over and offered him a drink I said can

3254
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:07,540
I get you anything PZ and he went back

3255
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:09,040
to snoring so

3256
02:05:12,900 --> 02:05:10,690
I am there's some of these lectures

3257
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:12,910
where I would have preferred to have

3258
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:15,250
been able to go to sleep if I could yeah

3259
02:05:21,060 --> 02:05:18,490
I agree it's most lectures except for

3260
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:21,070
Micah Nick's house I was like listen to

3261
02:05:25,650 --> 02:05:23,770
those guys good question here we since

3262
02:05:27,570 --> 02:05:25,660
we're talking about the whales and we're

3263
02:05:30,060 --> 02:05:27,580
talking about the mystery blooms now we

3264
02:05:32,700 --> 02:05:30,070
think of course about phenomena that was

3265
02:05:34,230 --> 02:05:32,710
reported decades ago but current

3266
02:05:36,450 --> 02:05:34,240
episodes of anything

3267
02:05:39,090 --> 02:05:36,460
what can you trace the so called climate

3268
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:39,100
change that's an interesting one on the

3269
02:05:43,980 --> 02:05:41,530
mystery booms website I actually feature

3270
02:05:47,070 --> 02:05:43,990
a series of on the right-hand column a

3271
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:47,080
series of frequently asked questions and

3272
02:05:50,940 --> 02:05:49,420
one of those is are the mystery booms a

3273
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:50,950
result of climate change because this is

3274
02:05:53,970 --> 02:05:52,330
something that and I'm by the way I'm

3275
02:05:55,170 --> 02:05:53,980
not a climate denier I've been called

3276
02:05:57,420 --> 02:05:55,180
that by a lot of people because I've

3277
02:05:58,800 --> 02:05:57,430
cited you know studies that seek to try

3278
02:06:01,500 --> 02:05:58,810
and account for things like what has

3279
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:01,510
what has been called climate hiatus and

3280
02:06:04,830 --> 02:06:03,010
whatnot nothing there are obviously a

3281
02:06:06,300 --> 02:06:04,840
variety of different interpretations and

3282
02:06:08,250 --> 02:06:06,310
also a lot of good data that helps us

3283
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:08,260
understand why there are variances and

3284
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:10,000
hence the term climate change and not

3285
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:12,370
global warming is it once was espoused

3286
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:14,770
to be but although generally the trends

3287
02:06:17,970 --> 02:06:15,850
are toward heating and this is what

3288
02:06:19,500 --> 02:06:17,980
science tells us but many people as a

3289
02:06:21,180 --> 02:06:19,510
result of I think kind of less a

3290
02:06:23,100 --> 02:06:21,190
scientific attitude toward the subject

3291
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:23,110
and more an advocacy for change in

3292
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:24,880
relation to it have tried to say oh

3293
02:06:30,090 --> 02:06:27,730
these mystery booms climate change and I

3294
02:06:31,530 --> 02:06:30,100
have to tell you once again it's easy to

3295
02:06:33,180 --> 02:06:31,540
just kind of grab onto a hot-button

3296
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:33,190
subject and say yes see we've got all

3297
02:06:36,450 --> 02:06:34,570
kinds of stuff all hell's breaking loose

3298
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:36,460
all over planet Earth it's got to be the

3299
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:38,290
fact that we've got anthropogenic global

3300
02:06:42,410 --> 02:06:40,540
warming occurring according to the USGS

3301
02:06:44,910 --> 02:06:42,420
website and other scientific

3302
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:44,920
institutions that I have gone and last

3303
02:06:48,810 --> 02:06:46,870
this question of but none seem to

3304
02:06:50,670 --> 02:06:48,820
indicate that warming trends or other

3305
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:50,680
climate change occurring on planet earth

3306
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:54,070
is in any way correlative in relation to

3307
02:06:58,620 --> 02:06:56,530
the mystery booms or other anomalous

3308
02:07:00,090 --> 02:06:58,630
noises in nature so I actually address

3309
02:07:02,040 --> 02:07:00,100
that at the website at least as far as

3310
02:07:03,810 --> 02:07:02,050
that subject goes I can't tell you that

3311
02:07:06,030 --> 02:07:03,820
climate changes the calls we were

3312
02:07:08,670 --> 02:07:06,040
mentioning earlier in the show the

3313
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:08,680
difficulty in being able to recall

3314
02:07:13,260 --> 02:07:10,930
events that happened years and years ago

3315
02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:13,270
even yesterday I mean if you look at the

3316
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:15,520
TV talking heads they could be

3317
02:07:20,010 --> 02:07:17,710
discussing the very same event and you

3318
02:07:21,870 --> 02:07:20,020
get totally different versions and this

3319
02:07:24,419 --> 02:07:21,880
is from supposedly train report

3320
02:07:27,899 --> 02:07:24,429
but say we're going back to the 1890s

3321
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:27,909
and the legend of the airships is there

3322
02:07:32,820 --> 02:07:29,920
anything new there Myka Hanks that we

3323
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:32,830
could talk about I actually think that

3324
02:07:37,530 --> 02:07:35,290
there is and I'll tell you why

3325
02:07:39,570 --> 02:07:37,540
it was long supposed you know and again

3326
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:39,580
Jerry Clark and a lot of the great 40 in

3327
02:07:43,770 --> 02:07:42,010
where I guess he wasn't just one who

3328
02:07:45,629 --> 02:07:43,780
catalogued he was he was truly a

3329
02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:45,639
chronicler and also person who offered a

3330
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:47,080
lot of his own interpretations of things

3331
02:07:50,879 --> 02:07:49,360
but throughout the the years guys like

3332
02:07:53,070 --> 02:07:50,889
Jerry and a number of other authors

3333
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,080
who've looked at the old newspaper

3334
02:07:56,850 --> 02:07:54,880
reports you know obtained through micro

3335
02:07:59,430 --> 02:07:56,860
films and whatnot because as is

3336
02:08:02,100 --> 02:07:59,440
evidenced by a rash of reports that

3337
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:02,110
occur between 1896 and 1897 it appears

3338
02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:05,290
that there were newspaper reports that

3339
02:08:09,689 --> 02:08:07,510
indicated observations of mystery

3340
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:09,699
airships over parts of California and

3341
02:08:12,689 --> 02:08:11,050
other parts of the United States and

3342
02:08:14,370 --> 02:08:12,699
actually they weren't just reported in

3343
02:08:15,930 --> 02:08:14,380
the United States so there there were

3344
02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:15,940
reports that occurred in parts of South

3345
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:17,920
America and Canada just as well Walter

3346
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:20,110
Bosley brought to my attention a report

3347
02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:22,810
from South America Richard Dolan also

3348
02:08:27,330 --> 02:08:25,510
brought me just an incredible report

3349
02:08:29,820 --> 02:08:27,340
from Canada from the 19th century that

3350
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:29,830
appeared to describe in in truest sense

3351
02:08:33,149 --> 02:08:31,510
I mean an airship of some kind that was

3352
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:33,159
observed in a very strange

3353
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:35,440
you know it should say under strange

3354
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:36,880
circumstances it was in a wilderness

3355
02:08:40,110 --> 02:08:38,770
area the last kind of a place that you'd

3356
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:40,120
expect something like this to be seen

3357
02:08:43,590 --> 02:08:41,440
and I think that Richard found that in

3358
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:43,600
the Canadian National Archives in New

3359
02:08:47,610 --> 02:08:46,480
Zealand in 1909 New Zealand exactly

3360
02:08:49,649 --> 02:08:47,620
there were a lot of reports I think

3361
02:08:51,959 --> 02:08:49,659
there was an Australian wave that Andrew

3362
02:08:53,729 --> 02:08:51,969
Nicholson had brought to my attention

3363
02:08:55,590 --> 02:08:53,739
which I mentioned in my book the UFO

3364
02:08:56,850 --> 02:08:55,600
singularity a lot of people by the way

3365
02:08:58,860 --> 02:08:56,860
didn't understand why if I'm talking

3366
02:09:00,990 --> 02:08:58,870
about technological trends moving toward

3367
02:09:03,780 --> 02:09:01,000
the future in relation to UFOs as I did

3368
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,790
in that book why I would tie in airships

3369
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:04,960
and I'll get to that in a moment because

3370
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:06,010
I think there's a very clear connection

3371
02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:07,750
but Jean you asked if there's anything

3372
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,550
new we look at all the different parts

3373
02:09:13,500 --> 02:09:11,199
the world in which there were reports of

3374
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:13,510
airships and back in the day I think

3375
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,760
that 14 scholars were cataloguing this

3376
02:09:19,290 --> 02:09:17,920
information and chronicling the data but

3377
02:09:20,910 --> 02:09:19,300
the skeptical interpretation had been

3378
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:20,920
that well these were probably hoaxes

3379
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:22,330
because we know that hoaxes appeared in

3380
02:09:27,810 --> 02:09:25,210
newspapers heck mark plane had actually

3381
02:09:29,070 --> 02:09:27,820
altered a few of them himself and one of

3382
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:29,080
the reasons that journalists would do

3383
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:31,480
this was not just because news was slow

3384
02:09:33,660 --> 02:09:32,530
one day and said they wanted to pull a

3385
02:09:35,070 --> 02:09:33,670
joke on the readership but also

3386
02:09:36,030 --> 02:09:35,080
sometimes they were meant to affect

3387
02:09:38,130 --> 02:09:36,040
political chain

3388
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:38,140
like California companies cooking their

3389
02:09:41,940 --> 02:09:39,760
books and whatnot in engaging in

3390
02:09:43,710 --> 02:09:41,950
nefarious activity and hints these

3391
02:09:45,660 --> 02:09:43,720
hoaxes would be steered at trying to

3392
02:09:47,310 --> 02:09:45,670
make these companies give them the

3393
02:09:49,410 --> 02:09:47,320
mistaken impression that their and

3394
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:49,420
nefarious actions had led investors to

3395
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:51,040
do things crazy like committing suicide

3396
02:09:53,700 --> 02:09:52,090
and whatnot

3397
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:53,710
there were a number reasons while hoaxes

3398
02:09:56,430 --> 02:09:55,090
appeared but I started wondering is it

3399
02:09:58,080 --> 02:09:56,440
really fair to say that all the reports

3400
02:10:00,330 --> 02:09:58,090
of airships any mention of airships in

3401
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:00,340
the 1890s were hoaxes so this led me to

3402
02:10:04,380 --> 02:10:02,170
the natural question why were they

3403
02:10:05,970 --> 02:10:04,390
perceived as being such and the general

3404
02:10:07,950 --> 02:10:05,980
reason is that according to aviation

3405
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:07,960
historians the technology did not exist

3406
02:10:13,470 --> 02:10:10,690
in the 1890s to build such airships

3407
02:10:16,620 --> 02:10:13,480
let's do our break and then get back to

3408
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:16,630
the airships of the 1890s with Myka

3409
02:10:20,820 --> 02:10:18,970
Hanks who was not there despite what

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taxes you know they'll never stop coming

3471
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after you with Bank levies wage

3472
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:46,309
garnishments they'll even seize your

3473
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home or business the good news a

3474
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government program for a tax debt

3475
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forgiveness it's called the Fresh Start

3476
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yield we can help navigate the new laws

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get you protected and resolve your tax

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issues permanently call the experts at

3480
02:13:02,350 --> 02:13:00,559
US tax yield now for your free

3481
02:13:05,500 --> 02:13:02,360
consultation and get a guarantee quote

3482
02:13:09,399 --> 02:13:05,510
to resolve your case call 843 660 451

3483
02:13:12,430 --> 02:13:09,409
that's 800 4 3 6 64 51 okay honey I have

3484
02:13:14,620 --> 02:13:12,440
to ask and be honest here have you been

3485
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:14,630
taking a little blue pill because things

3486
02:13:19,450 --> 02:13:16,400
have been pretty good in the bedroom

3487
02:13:21,790 --> 02:13:19,460
lately no I swear you didn't pick

3488
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:21,800
anything up at the pharmacy last month

3489
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:25,040
in Cancun no well something's different

3490
02:13:27,580 --> 02:13:25,850
I happen

3491
02:13:29,470 --> 02:13:27,590
taking that heart and body extract you

3492
02:13:31,150 --> 02:13:29,480
bought me but that's for your heart and

3493
02:13:32,980 --> 02:13:31,160
it control your cholesterol well I read

3494
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:32,990
HP extract also promotes healthy

3495
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:34,850
prostate function I never guessed it

3496
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:37,250
would work this well but you're glad it

3497
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:37,730
did

3498
02:13:43,060 --> 02:13:41,330
oh yeah heart and body extract is a 100%

3499
02:13:45,370 --> 02:13:43,070
organic formula that promotes a strong

3500
02:13:47,410 --> 02:13:45,380
heart healthy arterial flow better

3501
02:13:49,090 --> 02:13:47,420
circulation improves erectile and

3502
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:49,100
prostate gland function and provides

3503
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:51,440
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3504
02:13:55,060 --> 02:13:53,360
more at heart and body extract calm

3505
02:13:56,980 --> 02:13:55,070
heart and body extract paired with

3506
02:13:57,730 --> 02:13:56,990
healthy heart choices is a winning

3507
02:13:59,500 --> 02:13:57,740
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3508
02:14:01,630 --> 02:13:59,510
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3509
02:14:04,450 --> 02:14:01,640
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3510
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:04,460
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3511
02:14:10,720 --> 02:14:07,930
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3512
02:14:12,970 --> 02:14:10,730
we've been patiently waiting waiting

3513
02:14:14,770 --> 02:14:12,980
while you tried to ignore us waiting

3514
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:14,780
while you acted like we didn't exist

3515
02:14:20,770 --> 02:14:16,970
waiting for our chance to be taken

3516
02:14:23,500 --> 02:14:20,780
seriously the wait is over CCN is

3517
02:14:25,450 --> 02:14:23,510
available 24/7 at GC and live.com

3518
02:14:27,550 --> 02:14:25,460
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3519
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:27,560
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3520
02:14:32,830 --> 02:14:30,650
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3521
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3522
02:14:45,100 --> 02:14:35,510
stream NGC and lime calm the future of

3523
02:14:48,980 --> 02:14:47,630
how disassociate or make screenwriter

3524
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:48,990
producer you're listening to the para

3525
02:14:57,950 --> 02:14:51,570
cast the gold standard of paranormal

3526
02:15:00,980 --> 02:14:57,960
radio of course some people think I was

3527
02:15:03,590 --> 02:15:00,990
there from the 1890s or I'm not too far

3528
02:15:04,220 --> 02:15:03,600
removed from the 1890s and that is just

3529
02:15:06,530 --> 02:15:04,230
not true

3530
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:06,540
there was no photograph in the cause of

3531
02:15:12,770 --> 02:15:09,840
getting old as I get younger Myka Hanks

3532
02:15:14,150 --> 02:15:12,780
back to the 1890s what's going on first

3533
02:15:16,340 --> 02:15:14,160
of all I actually was there being the

3534
02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:16,350
time traveller that I am but but

3535
02:15:20,420 --> 02:15:17,970
traveling back in time here for the

3536
02:15:22,430 --> 02:15:20,430
purpose of the conversation again it was

3537
02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:22,440
often a preconception as we said before

3538
02:15:26,300 --> 02:15:24,450
the break that the technology just

3539
02:15:28,040 --> 02:15:26,310
didn't exist by the 1890s to build any

3540
02:15:30,650 --> 02:15:28,050
kind of an airship on par with what we

3541
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:30,660
saw in the in the reports and maybe to

3542
02:15:34,010 --> 02:15:32,400
an extent that's true but I certainly

3543
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:34,020
want to be very clear that there were a

3544
02:15:39,260 --> 02:15:36,690
lot of airships being built although the

3545
02:15:41,090 --> 02:15:39,270
more widely discussed inventors of

3546
02:15:42,650 --> 02:15:41,100
airships are those who were in Europe

3547
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:42,660
who were building them at you know as

3548
02:15:48,140 --> 02:15:45,690
recently as the 1870s I want to point

3549
02:15:49,790 --> 02:15:48,150
out that as far back as 1847 Solomon

3550
02:15:51,950 --> 02:15:49,800
Andrews here in the United States had

3551
02:15:53,870 --> 02:15:51,960
proposed an aircraft which he wasn't

3552
02:15:55,610 --> 02:15:53,880
successful gaining financial support for

3553
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:55,620
the for the construction of this but he

3554
02:16:00,530 --> 02:15:57,840
revisited the idea again in the 1860s

3555
02:16:01,490 --> 02:16:00,540
and this actually excerpt that I'm about

3556
02:16:03,050 --> 02:16:01,500
to share with you comes from the

3557
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:03,060
Smithsonian National Portrait Gallery

3558
02:16:08,570 --> 02:16:06,450
news which states as follows while

3559
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:08,580
serving with the Union Army in 1862

3560
02:16:12,230 --> 02:16:10,290
Solomon Andrews became convinced that

3561
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:12,240
navigable lighter-than-air craft would

3562
02:16:15,530 --> 02:16:14,130
prove vastly superior to the tethered

3563
02:16:17,420 --> 02:16:15,540
balloons that were used for military

3564
02:16:19,610 --> 02:16:17,430
reconnaissance so he resigned his

3565
02:16:20,690 --> 02:16:19,620
commission and at his own expense began

3566
02:16:23,690 --> 02:16:20,700
constructing the world's first

3567
02:16:25,730 --> 02:16:23,700
self-propelled steerable airship as 1862

3568
02:16:27,770 --> 02:16:25,740
and comprising the three cigar shaped

3569
02:16:28,940 --> 02:16:27,780
balloons a rudder and an operator's car

3570
02:16:30,380 --> 02:16:28,950
equipped with moveable weights the

3571
02:16:33,410 --> 02:16:30,390
ariane as it was called made its maiden

3572
02:16:35,209 --> 02:16:33,420
flight on june 1st 1863 the Union Army I

3573
02:16:37,160 --> 02:16:35,219
want to point out even even President

3574
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:37,170
Lincoln had observed this craft but they

3575
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:39,090
decided not to go with it later he tried

3576
02:16:42,650 --> 02:16:40,650
to revisit the idea for commercial

3577
02:16:43,790 --> 02:16:42,660
purposes and and institute a series of

3578
02:16:45,770 --> 02:16:43,800
airships that would carry passengers

3579
02:16:47,540 --> 02:16:45,780
commercially between New York and

3580
02:16:48,919 --> 02:16:47,550
Pennsylvania that idea didn't get off

3581
02:16:51,470 --> 02:16:48,929
the ground but it very least there were

3582
02:16:52,820 --> 02:16:51,480
airships that were built and I found

3583
02:16:55,010 --> 02:16:52,830
actually there was a report that

3584
02:16:56,550 --> 02:16:55,020
appeared believed that the article was

3585
02:16:58,440 --> 02:16:56,560
in let's see I can get that

3586
02:17:01,320 --> 02:16:58,450
information but oh here was it was the

3587
02:17:03,150 --> 02:17:01,330
San Francisco gate that reported on what

3588
02:17:04,340 --> 02:17:03,160
were called the now obscure history of

3589
02:17:06,451 --> 02:17:04,350
pre Wright brothers aviation

3590
02:17:09,031 --> 02:17:06,461
experimentation where a number of

3591
02:17:12,180 --> 02:17:09,041
inventors in the 1890s had been working

3592
02:17:14,701 --> 02:17:12,190
on airships in California now what's

3593
02:17:16,201 --> 02:17:14,711
interesting at all Club we can talk

3594
02:17:17,460 --> 02:17:16,211
about the Sonora Aero Club here in a

3595
02:17:19,710 --> 02:17:17,470
moment is that if there's any

3596
02:17:21,510 --> 02:17:19,720
credibility to it actually predated what

3597
02:17:23,250 --> 02:17:21,520
the california inventors in the 1890s

3598
02:17:25,470 --> 02:17:23,260
on-the-record we're building but the

3599
02:17:26,730 --> 02:17:25,480
question is is again if this information

3600
02:17:28,411 --> 02:17:26,740
is now coming to light that there were a

3601
02:17:29,820 --> 02:17:28,421
lot of inventors who were working on

3602
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:29,830
these kind of craft and there's an

3603
02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:31,690
article at Micah Hanks calms people want

3604
02:17:34,680 --> 02:17:32,950
to go read it's called airships of the

3605
02:17:37,770 --> 02:17:34,690
1800s and odd history of aerial

3606
02:17:39,090 --> 02:17:37,780
phenomena it goes over a lot of this but

3607
02:17:41,010 --> 02:17:39,100
again the question is if there were a

3608
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:41,020
lot of inventors and they had actually

3609
02:17:44,491 --> 02:17:42,970
however creed they may have been but

3610
02:17:46,140 --> 02:17:44,501
they were getting airships of their own

3611
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:46,150
design and often on their own dollar up

3612
02:17:49,590 --> 02:17:47,770
into the air and demonstrating these

3613
02:17:52,350 --> 02:17:49,600
things as being steerable and and and

3614
02:17:54,090 --> 02:17:52,360
and navigable then why has there been

3615
02:17:55,590 --> 02:17:54,100
this idea that the aircraft couldn't

3616
02:17:57,451 --> 02:17:55,600
have existed that the technology didn't

3617
02:17:59,310 --> 02:17:57,461
exist and that the airship stories and

3618
02:18:01,291 --> 02:17:59,320
the newspapers were hoaxes well here's

3619
02:18:04,291 --> 02:18:01,301
the reason why in truth a lot of these

3620
02:18:05,850 --> 02:18:04,301
stories like at one time Nikola Tesla

3621
02:18:07,831 --> 02:18:05,860
and many of his inventions prior to the

3622
02:18:10,621 --> 02:18:07,841
Internet era had done they kind of fall

3623
02:18:12,690 --> 02:18:10,631
into obscurity because again those who

3624
02:18:14,430 --> 02:18:12,700
succeed you know the Edison's in history

3625
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:14,440
are the ones whose technology of course

3626
02:18:18,270 --> 02:18:16,450
but you know leaves that lasting imprint

3627
02:18:19,980 --> 02:18:18,280
on history and whatnot and at times

3628
02:18:21,300 --> 02:18:19,990
we've had to I think many would agree

3629
02:18:23,161 --> 02:18:21,310
especially in terms of the history of

3630
02:18:24,810 --> 02:18:23,171
engineering and invention we've had to

3631
02:18:26,730 --> 02:18:24,820
rewrite and rican sieve some of our

3632
02:18:28,621 --> 02:18:26,740
ideas about the origins of some of these

3633
02:18:30,871 --> 02:18:28,631
technologies and hints in recent years

3634
02:18:32,791 --> 02:18:30,881
Tesla and others have given been given

3635
02:18:34,470 --> 02:18:32,801
their due improper but the point is that

3636
02:18:36,690 --> 02:18:34,480
there were a lot of obscure builders of

3637
02:18:38,550 --> 02:18:36,700
these airships that probably were not

3638
02:18:40,831 --> 02:18:38,560
well reported and the information about

3639
02:18:43,291 --> 02:18:40,841
them was not easily accessible prior to

3640
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:43,301
the internet era the ideas the

3641
02:18:46,951 --> 02:18:44,770
misconceptions that there were no such

3642
02:18:48,661 --> 02:18:46,961
craft and thus that no such technology

3643
02:18:50,491 --> 02:18:48,671
existed spilled over from the

3644
02:18:52,260 --> 02:18:50,501
pre-internet era into the modern day and

3645
02:18:53,550 --> 02:18:52,270
sceptical commentators have continued to

3646
02:18:55,980 --> 02:18:53,560
say that these are all probably just

3647
02:18:59,550 --> 02:18:55,990
hoaxes which brings us to those reports

3648
02:19:01,770 --> 02:18:59,560
from 1896 and 97 over San Francisco this

3649
02:19:03,150 --> 02:19:01,780
seems to have been a much more fantastic

3650
02:19:04,531 --> 02:19:03,160
aircraft that was designed and that's

3651
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:04,541
part of the reason I think also for the

3652
02:19:08,610 --> 02:19:07,120
skepticism but I became aware by

3653
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:08,620
searching through microfilm data myself

3654
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:10,330
and a lot of this available online

3655
02:19:14,010 --> 02:19:11,410
now rather than having to go to a

3656
02:19:16,770 --> 02:19:14,020
library I found reports from the San

3657
02:19:18,720 --> 02:19:16,780
Francisco bee from February of 1896 that

3658
02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:18,730
were describing a aircraft that was

3659
02:19:23,220 --> 02:19:21,550
slated for design and construction by a

3660
02:19:25,620 --> 02:19:23,230
man named Charles Abbott Smith some

3661
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:25,630
brilliant inventor in the in the in the

3662
02:19:30,839 --> 02:19:28,960
San Francisco area and the story at that

3663
02:19:32,879 --> 02:19:30,849
time in February was that not only had

3664
02:19:34,530 --> 02:19:32,889
there been a company that was hoping to

3665
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:34,540
fund this project but that there may be

3666
02:19:38,610 --> 02:19:36,010
a possibility that the military would

3667
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:38,620
match the the project or matched those

3668
02:19:42,030 --> 02:19:40,570
funds and help get this thing off the

3669
02:19:43,589 --> 02:19:42,040
ground and hints that the military had

3670
02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:43,599
interest in building these airships just

3671
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:46,330
as well Charles Abbott Smith files for a

3672
02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:48,010
patent for this aircraft so you can see

3673
02:19:51,660 --> 02:19:49,510
drawing sketches of what it looked like

3674
02:19:53,190 --> 02:19:51,670
that actually appeared in the San

3675
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:53,200
Francisco be but that later appeared

3676
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:54,850
with the patent that was filed in April

3677
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:56,650
I believe that year and then of course

3678
02:19:59,430 --> 02:19:57,970
in November of that same year then we

3679
02:20:01,320 --> 02:19:59,440
have reports of this massive airship

3680
02:20:02,700 --> 02:20:01,330
seen over San Francisco what's

3681
02:20:05,011 --> 02:20:02,710
interesting is that I could never find

3682
02:20:06,450 --> 02:20:05,021
any evidence that Smith's aircraft had

3683
02:20:08,580 --> 02:20:06,460
ever been built and I unlikely had

3684
02:20:10,140 --> 02:20:08,590
thought that it probably hadn't been but

3685
02:20:11,970 --> 02:20:10,150
I did come across an interesting book

3686
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:11,980
written by Tim a--they sea parrot called

3687
02:20:15,570 --> 02:20:13,690
the secret life of dr. Charles Abbott

3688
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:15,580
Smith san Francisco's 19th century

3689
02:20:18,990 --> 02:20:17,170
airship inventor on a note in the

3690
02:20:20,460 --> 02:20:19,000
article at my website that I just

3691
02:20:21,930 --> 02:20:20,470
mentioned that it's a it's a very

3692
02:20:23,220 --> 02:20:21,940
obscure book I didn't know if it was

3693
02:20:25,740 --> 02:20:23,230
even still in print I couldn't find

3694
02:20:27,511 --> 02:20:25,750
anywhere to buy it online at all and so

3695
02:20:28,830 --> 02:20:27,521
I said I want to try and check this book

3696
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:28,840
down and talk to the author low and

3697
02:20:32,011 --> 02:20:30,250
behold I get an email from him two days

3698
02:20:34,051 --> 02:20:32,021
ago and he says I've got copies and I'm

3699
02:20:36,420 --> 02:20:34,061
gonna mail you one right now and he says

3700
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:36,430
yes according to the data that I did at

3701
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:39,010
the request of family members of Smith I

3702
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:40,690
do believe not only that I've unraveled

3703
02:20:44,460 --> 02:20:42,160
a lot about this man's obscure history

3704
02:20:46,290 --> 02:20:44,470
but that there was a working prototype

3705
02:20:48,210 --> 02:20:46,300
built and that it gone off the ground

3706
02:20:49,350 --> 02:20:48,220
now I haven't got the book yet it's on

3707
02:20:51,000 --> 02:20:49,360
its way so this is really just

3708
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:51,010
developing as I'm here on the show with

3709
02:20:53,880 --> 02:20:52,000
you guys but I mean it's gonna be

3710
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:53,890
fascinating if rather than UFOs and

3711
02:20:57,660 --> 02:20:55,930
rather than the newspaper hoaxes I guess

3712
02:20:59,011 --> 02:20:57,670
either extreme of the argument it's

3713
02:21:01,140 --> 02:20:59,021
gonna be fascinating if we find that

3714
02:21:03,390 --> 02:21:01,150
just another obscure portion of history

3715
02:21:05,310 --> 02:21:03,400
that involves brilliant inventors but

3716
02:21:07,230 --> 02:21:05,320
that for various reasons didn't make it

3717
02:21:09,180 --> 02:21:07,240
into the history books actually comes to

3718
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:09,190
constitute a real history of airships

3719
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:11,200
over Southern California in the 1890s

3720
02:21:14,551 --> 02:21:12,640
and it's looking more and more like that

3721
02:21:16,890 --> 02:21:14,561
isn't he gonna be the case we also have

3722
02:21:19,470 --> 02:21:16,900
to think here if people in scattered

3723
02:21:21,390 --> 02:21:19,480
parts of the world invented things and

3724
02:21:21,961 --> 02:21:21,400
maybe they didn't go much farther the

3725
02:21:23,911 --> 02:21:21,971
local

3726
02:21:26,220 --> 02:21:23,921
since there was very little

3727
02:21:28,350 --> 02:21:26,230
communication back and forth as we have

3728
02:21:30,570 --> 02:21:28,360
today those inventions could have died

3729
02:21:31,860 --> 02:21:30,580
on the vine if they ran out of funding I

3730
02:21:33,661 --> 02:21:31,870
had a crash or something like that

3731
02:21:35,161 --> 02:21:33,671
certainly and again there's another

3732
02:21:36,450 --> 02:21:35,171
point that should be made I mentioned

3733
02:21:37,950 --> 02:21:36,460
Walter Bo's lien he's written a great

3734
02:21:39,541 --> 02:21:37,960
series of books called the Empire of the

3735
02:21:41,161 --> 02:21:39,551
wheel and you'll tell you they're

3736
02:21:43,261 --> 02:21:41,171
largely speculative and there's a lot of

3737
02:21:45,121 --> 02:21:43,271
a lot of speculation in there although I

3738
02:21:47,610 --> 02:21:45,131
think that it's in many instances well

3739
02:21:49,440 --> 02:21:47,620
very well reasoned I like Walters riding

3740
02:21:51,511 --> 02:21:49,450
I tried to gravitate a little bit more

3741
02:21:52,770 --> 02:21:51,521
toward what factual data we can find and

3742
02:21:54,841 --> 02:21:52,780
sometimes it takes years just to be able

3743
02:21:56,610 --> 02:21:54,851
to uncover that in the second book in

3744
02:21:59,070 --> 02:21:56,620
Walters series he addresses the idea

3745
02:22:01,261 --> 02:21:59,080
that or Senora Aero Club and this

3746
02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:01,271
Charles a Dulles all not to be confused

3747
02:22:03,841 --> 02:22:02,530
with the Charles a Smith it's

3748
02:22:05,700 --> 02:22:03,851
interesting some of the synchronicities

3749
02:22:07,140 --> 02:22:05,710
in terms of names that pop up but you

3750
02:22:09,980 --> 02:22:07,150
know there's this story that years ago

3751
02:22:12,631 --> 02:22:09,990
that this artist Charles delassalle

3752
02:22:14,730 --> 02:22:12,641
notebooks were discovered and I think in

3753
02:22:16,140 --> 02:22:14,740
like a thrift shop and what they seemed

3754
02:22:19,291 --> 02:22:16,150
to this story is pretty well known what

3755
02:22:20,820 --> 02:22:19,301
they seem to document was this role that

3756
02:22:22,411 --> 02:22:20,830
delassalle played is the draftsman for

3757
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:22,421
this secret group called the Sonora aero

3758
02:22:26,251 --> 02:22:24,370
club that was operated or controlled or

3759
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:26,261
overseen by a broader organization

3760
02:22:30,240 --> 02:22:28,210
called nimza some sort of an acronym I

3761
02:22:32,310 --> 02:22:30,250
think some people considered that to

3762
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:32,320
mean nor the NewYork mechanical Zephyr

3763
02:22:34,831 --> 02:22:33,280
Association

3764
02:22:37,621 --> 02:22:34,841
Walter takes a different interpretation

3765
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:37,631
and links it to possible backing by

3766
02:22:42,780 --> 02:22:40,000
German organization which in his

3767
02:22:44,341 --> 02:22:42,790
interpretation led to the institution of

3768
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airships being built in the United

3769
02:22:47,310 --> 02:22:45,881
States as a part of a secret German

3770
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operation and the reason that the

3771
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:49,421
aircraft were kept secret as would be

3772
02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:51,280
indicated in della shawls writings about

3773
02:22:54,871 --> 02:22:52,750
this if they're to be believed as being

3774
02:22:56,881 --> 02:22:54,881
something as a representative of factual

3775
02:22:58,200 --> 02:22:56,891
and actual events that occurred the

3776
02:22:59,970 --> 02:22:58,210
reason for the secrecy had been because

3777
02:23:02,791 --> 02:22:59,980
the airships were being used and

3778
02:23:04,261 --> 02:23:02,801
obviously in in in in outside you know

3779
02:23:06,091 --> 02:23:04,271
Germany and hence that presents

3780
02:23:07,770 --> 02:23:06,101
international issues but but for

3781
02:23:09,331 --> 02:23:07,780
purposes of actually gaining access to

3782
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:09,341
parts of South America because they were

3783
02:23:13,560 --> 02:23:10,690
actually hunting gold so it's very

3784
02:23:15,900 --> 02:23:13,570
interesting scenario what can be made of

3785
02:23:17,551 --> 02:23:15,910
these reports just because I've managed

3786
02:23:19,921 --> 02:23:17,561
to uncover a lot of factual data about

3787
02:23:21,541 --> 02:23:19,931
inventors who were using aviation

3788
02:23:23,820 --> 02:23:21,551
technologies although obscure

3789
02:23:26,091 --> 02:23:23,830
technologies at that time as far back as

3790
02:23:28,350 --> 02:23:26,101
maybe the 1840s 50s and 60s in America

3791
02:23:30,001 --> 02:23:28,360
that doesn't necessarily substantiate

3792
02:23:31,291 --> 02:23:30,011
the claims of the Sonora aero club but

3793
02:23:33,091 --> 02:23:31,301
it definitely makes me look at it a

3794
02:23:34,711 --> 02:23:33,101
little differently because again I think

3795
02:23:35,761 --> 02:23:34,721
a lot of people just aren't up to speed

3796
02:23:37,500 --> 02:23:35,771
on the

3797
02:23:39,060 --> 02:23:37,510
obscure history of aviation occurring in

3798
02:23:40,650 --> 02:23:39,070
the United States during that period so

3799
02:23:42,511 --> 02:23:40,660
it's maybe not that far out that there

3800
02:23:44,761 --> 02:23:42,521
were people building aircraft and that

3801
02:23:46,470 --> 02:23:44,771
they had more clandestine operations for

3802
02:23:48,091 --> 02:23:46,480
secretive purposes that may be involved

3803
02:23:49,740 --> 02:23:48,101
financial gain and also involved foreign

3804
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:49,750
powers we just don't know but what's

3805
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:51,010
interesting and why I tied in with the

3806
02:23:54,511 --> 02:23:53,290
UFO singularity in my book is as Richard

3807
02:23:56,190 --> 02:23:54,521
Dolan has discussed this idea of a

3808
02:23:57,690 --> 02:23:56,200
breakaway civilization we do start

3809
02:23:59,490 --> 02:23:57,700
seeing the underpinnings of the ideas

3810
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that there could be advanced

3811
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technologies that as far back as the

3812
02:24:06,660 --> 02:24:04,900
1850s maybe have been utilized for

3813
02:24:09,900 --> 02:24:06,670
purposes that do not meet the standards

3814
02:24:11,700 --> 02:24:09,910
or the same goals of you know Humanity

3815
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on the whole and if you know what before

3816
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we go on I'm thinking of the TV show

3817
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wild wild west just when you talk about

3818
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this crazy inventions in the 19th

3819
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century Myka Hanks gene and Chris you're

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in libera cast leading the way for the

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3849
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carding to a private bank having it led

3850
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back at interest

3851
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forcing taxes to service debt this

3852
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capitalism was Jefferson correct

3853
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stating a central bank issuing the

3854
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3855
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the liberties of the people than a

3856
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3857
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placing a free silver dollar in a book

3858
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that explains our monetary system call

3859
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3860
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3861
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that's 800 686 to 237 virtually anyone

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can hack your cell phone and track your

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3887
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and fibers to protect from counterfeit

3888
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and carding to a private bank having it

3889
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led back at interest

3890
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forcing taxes to service debt this

3891
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capitalism was Jefferson correct when

3892
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stating a central bank issuing the

3893
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public currency is a greater menace to

3894
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the liberties of the people than a

3895
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standing army hi Ted Anderson on placing

3896
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of silver dollar in a book explains our

3897
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monetary system call for your copy 800

3898
02:27:38,041 --> 02:27:33,581
686 to 237 it's time to understand the

3899
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system call 866 to 237 that's 800 686 to

3900
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3922
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3923
02:28:58,320 --> 02:28:47,560
physicist dr. Stanton Friedman you are

3924
02:29:00,440 --> 02:28:58,330
listening to the gold standard so I was

3925
02:29:03,810 --> 02:29:00,450
thinking again more about the TV show

3926
02:29:05,400 --> 02:29:03,820
wild wild west then the movie with Will

3927
02:29:06,929 --> 02:29:05,410
Smith because it was such a bad movie

3928
02:29:09,450 --> 02:29:06,939
even though it's directed by the same

3929
02:29:12,030 --> 02:29:09,460
guy who brought you men in black barry

3930
02:29:14,010 --> 02:29:12,040
sonnenfeld anyway we have Micah Hanks

3931
02:29:16,380 --> 02:29:14,020
with gene and Chris we're going back

3932
02:29:19,440 --> 02:29:16,390
through time looking at the inventions

3933
02:29:22,950 --> 02:29:19,450
of the 19th century that may you know

3934
02:29:24,420 --> 02:29:22,960
have either vanished with time or took

3935
02:29:26,130 --> 02:29:24,430
on a life of their own then you brought

3936
02:29:28,980 --> 02:29:26,140
up Richard Dolan and the theory of the

3937
02:29:30,810 --> 02:29:28,990
breakaway civilization yeah and you know

3938
02:29:34,170 --> 02:29:30,820
again that's something that really put

3939
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,180
rich on on my radar was the idea that

3940
02:29:38,750 --> 02:29:36,640
okay rather than aliens could there be

3941
02:29:41,580 --> 02:29:38,760
an element of humanity that's utilizing

3942
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:41,590
incredible technology for purpose of

3943
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:43,600
something that is exterior to or

3944
02:29:46,980 --> 02:29:45,520
peripheral very least to the common

3945
02:29:49,020 --> 02:29:46,990
goals of humanity as we know it and

3946
02:29:51,810 --> 02:29:49,030
what's really interesting is that I

3947
02:29:53,160 --> 02:29:51,820
think Walter Bosley Joseph Ferrell and

3948
02:29:55,020 --> 02:29:53,170
others have kind of seen that same

3949
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:55,030
parallel and and what's fascinating to

3950
02:29:59,790 --> 02:29:57,340
me is when I read Farrell's books or if

3951
02:30:01,860 --> 02:29:59,800
I read what Walter says or I read what

3952
02:30:04,350 --> 02:30:01,870
Richard says I find that we all kind of

3953
02:30:06,990 --> 02:30:04,360
from our different interests in areas of

3954
02:30:09,719 --> 02:30:07,000
interest in relation to mystery avian

3955
02:30:11,639 --> 02:30:09,729
aviation technologies we all tend to

3956
02:30:13,320 --> 02:30:11,649
start kind of coming to similar sort of

3957
02:30:13,859 --> 02:30:13,330
conclusions about what may be happening

3958
02:30:15,059 --> 02:30:13,869
behind

3959
02:30:16,609 --> 02:30:15,069
the scenes which led Richard to the

3960
02:30:18,929 --> 02:30:16,619
quote I believe he coined the term

3961
02:30:21,689 --> 02:30:18,939
breakaway civilizations so that's where

3962
02:30:23,550 --> 02:30:21,699
I get into airships in the book the UFO

3963
02:30:25,559 --> 02:30:23,560
singularity a lot of people they didn't

3964
02:30:27,059 --> 02:30:25,569
understand why I was tying bed in with

3965
02:30:28,499 --> 02:30:27,069
technology but you got to take into

3966
02:30:30,809 --> 02:30:28,509
consideration that you know a

3967
02:30:33,119 --> 02:30:30,819
singularity is at least in terms of

3968
02:30:35,399 --> 02:30:33,129
technological singularity is describing

3969
02:30:37,050 --> 02:30:35,409
generally the advent of artificial

3970
02:30:39,179 --> 02:30:37,060
intelligence but that of course is going

3971
02:30:42,300 --> 02:30:39,189
to be preceded by an intelligence or a

3972
02:30:43,409 --> 02:30:42,310
technology explosion and it's possible

3973
02:30:44,999 --> 02:30:43,419
at very least that if there are

3974
02:30:46,829 --> 02:30:45,009
individuals and organizations that have

3975
02:30:49,379 --> 02:30:46,839
utilized highly advanced technology

3976
02:30:51,029 --> 02:30:49,389
behind the scenes over the years that

3977
02:30:53,489 --> 02:30:51,039
some of the UFO phenomena could be

3978
02:30:55,409 --> 02:30:53,499
explained in terms of organizations that

3979
02:30:57,359 --> 02:30:55,419
are running counter to the conventional

3980
02:30:59,279 --> 02:30:57,369
notions of how physics electromagnetism

3981
02:31:00,899 --> 02:30:59,289
and engineering work and have utilized

3982
02:31:02,609 --> 02:31:00,909
this for purpose of designing these

3983
02:31:04,229 --> 02:31:02,619
aircraft the question of course is which

3984
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:04,239
maybe is less interesting than trying to

3985
02:31:07,679 --> 02:31:05,770
verify the existence of the craft

3986
02:31:09,629 --> 02:31:07,689
themselves but the question is what

3987
02:31:11,219 --> 02:31:09,639
purpose do those craft serve and who

3988
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:11,229
controls them so you know these are

3989
02:31:14,519 --> 02:31:12,850
interesting questions and as far as the

3990
02:31:15,779 --> 02:31:14,529
breakaway civilization goes it certainly

3991
02:31:17,579 --> 02:31:15,789
led me kind of into that realm of

3992
02:31:19,709 --> 02:31:17,589
thought which I think that Farrell

3993
02:31:20,939 --> 02:31:19,719
boseley and Dolan and I'll kind of share

3994
02:31:22,439 --> 02:31:20,949
so it'd be interesting if we all got

3995
02:31:23,550 --> 02:31:22,449
together and compared notes sometime

3996
02:31:25,709 --> 02:31:23,560
about that but that's not strictly

3997
02:31:27,599 --> 02:31:25,719
relevant so it's not like a great

3998
02:31:31,019 --> 02:31:27,609
roundtable it would be interesting

3999
02:31:32,039 --> 02:31:31,029
wouldn't a breakaway civilization

4000
02:31:35,489 --> 02:31:32,049
Roundtable

4001
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:35,499
hmm there you go but even then you talk

4002
02:31:40,789 --> 02:31:37,770
about breakaway civilizations just

4003
02:31:43,109 --> 02:31:40,799
considering whether our own scientists

4004
02:31:46,289 --> 02:31:43,119
working under cover of the military

4005
02:31:48,959 --> 02:31:46,299
using black budget money whether they've

4006
02:31:51,539 --> 02:31:48,969
developed all sorts of things aircraft

4007
02:31:53,249 --> 02:31:51,549
and other inventions that are far in

4008
02:31:54,329 --> 02:31:53,259
excess of what we're doing now I mean

4009
02:31:56,579 --> 02:31:54,339
we're doing some pretty amazing things

4010
02:31:59,369 --> 02:31:56,589
yeah we certainly aren't oh well now

4011
02:32:02,760 --> 02:31:59,379
we're primitive in certain ways and you

4012
02:32:04,559 --> 02:32:02,770
wonder what's being done by scientists

4013
02:32:07,199 --> 02:32:04,569
and the forth that goes back to even

4014
02:32:09,149 --> 02:32:07,209
UFOs whether some degree of UFOs are

4015
02:32:11,249 --> 02:32:09,159
basically secret aircraft of some kind

4016
02:32:14,099 --> 02:32:11,259
speaking of the opinions there were

4017
02:32:15,629 --> 02:32:14,109
theories about that dr. Leon Davidson I

4018
02:32:16,859 --> 02:32:15,639
don't know if you ever heard of him some

4019
02:32:18,029 --> 02:32:16,869
kind of person with government

4020
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:18,039
connections and he brought out a

4021
02:32:22,949 --> 02:32:20,560
civilian version of Project Blue Book

4022
02:32:25,199 --> 02:32:22,959
special report number 14 back in the

4023
02:32:27,210 --> 02:32:25,209
1960s and he had a theory about

4024
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:27,220
earth-based UFOs so

4025
02:32:31,469 --> 02:32:29,439
the UFOs we saw were really some sort of

4026
02:32:34,769 --> 02:32:31,479
earth-based craft then you add to that

4027
02:32:37,019 --> 02:32:34,779
the imperfection of viewing perception

4028
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:37,029
and recollections of strange things and

4029
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:40,479
you confabulate a few extra elements of

4030
02:32:44,280 --> 02:32:42,160
the performance of those aircraft and

4031
02:32:45,660 --> 02:32:44,290
there you go yeah there's some

4032
02:32:46,679 --> 02:32:45,670
interesting determinations made along

4033
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,689
those lines and I want to point out

4034
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:48,399
something too about one of those in

4035
02:32:52,019 --> 02:32:50,410
relation to the mystery aircraft and the

4036
02:32:54,030 --> 02:32:52,029
describe the descriptions of many of

4037
02:32:55,620 --> 02:32:54,040
them as being cigar shaped again some of

4038
02:32:57,450 --> 02:32:55,630
these aspects tend to kind of run

4039
02:33:00,450 --> 02:32:57,460
parallel to some of the airship designs

4040
02:33:01,800 --> 02:33:00,460
from the 1890s although I presumably

4041
02:33:04,260 --> 02:33:01,810
what would have been built the 1890s

4042
02:33:06,420 --> 02:33:04,270
would be far more crude and recognizable

4043
02:33:08,610 --> 02:33:06,430
as being dirigible like than the kind of

4044
02:33:11,130 --> 02:33:08,620
things that we see reported especially

4045
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:11,140
by the late 1940s and we look at for

4046
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:12,250
instance the child's and witted

4047
02:33:16,290 --> 02:33:14,410
encounter which J Allen Hynek at that

4048
02:33:17,969 --> 02:33:16,300
time had said wasn't likelihood a meteor

4049
02:33:19,410 --> 02:33:17,979
that the men had seen I always thought

4050
02:33:20,940 --> 02:33:19,420
that that was a bit strange and there

4051
02:33:23,219 --> 02:33:20,950
have been commentators who have noted

4052
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:23,229
that there appears to be you know some

4053
02:33:26,820 --> 02:33:25,120
some discrepancies between hynek's

4054
02:33:28,260 --> 02:33:26,830
interpretation and subsequent

4055
02:33:29,820 --> 02:33:28,270
determinations that that may have been a

4056
02:33:31,170 --> 02:33:29,830
physical craft is proposed by Jacques

4057
02:33:32,639 --> 02:33:31,180
Vallee and others but again I think that

4058
02:33:35,309 --> 02:33:32,649
we have to look at that incident and

4059
02:33:37,380 --> 02:33:35,319
think about a couple of things the the

4060
02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:37,390
pilots and you know with the incident in

4061
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:39,010
question observe that craft I think that

4062
02:33:42,990 --> 02:33:40,479
something similar been seen only days

4063
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:43,000
beforehand over France we go back to I

4064
02:33:48,150 --> 02:33:45,130
believe I believe it was July August of

4065
02:33:50,130 --> 02:33:48,160
1947 when Jack Puckett again it was a

4066
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:50,140
with Strategic Air Command in route to

4067
02:33:53,940 --> 02:33:51,520
MacDill Air Force Base in Florida

4068
02:33:55,170 --> 02:33:53,950
observed almost the exact same thing and

4069
02:33:56,729 --> 02:33:55,180
said it nearly collided with his

4070
02:33:59,580 --> 02:33:56,739
aircraft and he estimated it was moving

4071
02:34:01,320 --> 02:33:59,590
at nearly 1,000 miles an hour almost the

4072
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:01,330
same aircraft and I think that when

4073
02:34:04,440 --> 02:34:02,800
people say well Hynek determined that

4074
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:04,450
that was a meteor well it very well may

4075
02:34:08,370 --> 02:34:06,160
have been a meteor but a similar

4076
02:34:10,559 --> 02:34:08,380
aircraft was being seen elsewhere in the

4077
02:34:12,360 --> 02:34:10,569
world and you know in other reports that

4078
02:34:14,790 --> 02:34:12,370
predated the Charles witted of

4079
02:34:16,229 --> 02:34:14,800
observation and also at that time when

4080
02:34:18,330 --> 02:34:16,239
he was science advisor to Blue Book

4081
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:18,340
Hynek was an individual who was trying

4082
02:34:22,650 --> 02:34:20,080
to bring a scientific and skeptical

4083
02:34:25,229 --> 02:34:22,660
interpretation of the UFO phenomena to

4084
02:34:26,729 --> 02:34:25,239
the Air Force and and this was of course

4085
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:26,739
his stated mission objective but as we

4086
02:34:31,260 --> 02:34:29,290
all know later over the years he began

4087
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:31,270
to look at the wealth of data before him

4088
02:34:34,860 --> 02:34:32,319
and said you know I don't know that

4089
02:34:36,269 --> 02:34:34,870
really swamp gas a term that Israel of

4090
02:34:38,820 --> 02:34:36,279
course many don't realize this but it's

4091
02:34:40,260 --> 02:34:38,830
also attributable to Hynek he definitely

4092
02:34:41,010 --> 02:34:40,270
softened his opinions and said look I

4093
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:41,020
don't think that we can

4094
02:34:44,639 --> 02:34:42,850
be so skeptical that we can rule out all

4095
02:34:46,769 --> 02:34:44,649
these reports and so in terms of

4096
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:46,779
Heineken valet and different

4097
02:34:50,219 --> 02:34:48,130
interpretations of what Charles and

4098
02:34:51,660 --> 02:34:50,229
witted may have observed being in

4099
02:34:53,819 --> 02:34:51,670
contrast to one another I think that

4100
02:34:56,370 --> 02:34:53,829
what we see instead is the evolution of

4101
02:34:57,569 --> 02:34:56,380
hynek's ideas about what ufos may be he

4102
02:34:59,250 --> 02:34:57,579
may have maintained throughout his life

4103
02:35:00,719 --> 02:34:59,260
that that one had been a meteor but I

4104
02:35:02,219 --> 02:35:00,729
find that the description of what the

4105
02:35:04,859 --> 02:35:02,229
two pilots saw in that case was very

4106
02:35:06,210 --> 02:35:04,869
similar to other reports of UFOs some of

4107
02:35:07,950 --> 02:35:06,220
which I talk about in my book the ghost

4108
02:35:09,660 --> 02:35:07,960
rockets let me go back in time very

4109
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:09,670
quickly here because you want to get to

4110
02:35:13,290 --> 02:35:11,050
ghost rockets but I have a feeling it's

4111
02:35:15,660 --> 02:35:13,300
gonna have to carry over to this week's

4112
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:15,670
episode of after the power cast and that

4113
02:35:19,529 --> 02:35:17,920
is with Hynek I had I think lunch with

4114
02:35:21,679 --> 02:35:19,539
him or a meeting with him ahead of an

4115
02:35:24,450 --> 02:35:21,689
interview this is back obviously in the

4116
02:35:26,729 --> 02:35:24,460
1970s and I had the distinct feeling

4117
02:35:28,769 --> 02:35:26,739
then that his point of view about UFOs

4118
02:35:31,649 --> 02:35:28,779
was moving into the so-called

4119
02:35:33,630 --> 02:35:31,659
three-and-a-half to four D possibilities

4120
02:35:36,300 --> 02:35:33,640
he was opening his mind to lots of

4121
02:35:38,010 --> 02:35:36,310
different possibilities unfortunately he

4122
02:35:40,109 --> 02:35:38,020
didn't survive long enough to really

4123
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:40,119
explore them but he was a really

4124
02:35:44,670 --> 02:35:42,880
sensible guy and was kind of unfortunate

4125
02:35:47,639 --> 02:35:44,680
that you know he was not a young man

4126
02:35:49,800 --> 02:35:47,649
that he didn't hang on for years Valley

4127
02:35:51,569 --> 02:35:49,810
had been kind of whispering in his ear

4128
02:35:53,849 --> 02:35:51,579
and I think it finally took hold at one

4129
02:35:56,309 --> 02:35:53,859
point right he was definitely listening

4130
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:56,319
so yeah I appreciate that I talked to

4131
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,560
him about a few of my ideas at the time

4132
02:36:03,179 --> 02:36:00,640
unfortunately this interview does not

4133
02:36:05,219 --> 02:36:03,189
survive I recorded it on a regular

4134
02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:05,229
cassette tape which I carried with me

4135
02:36:08,729 --> 02:36:06,970
everywhere was when I acquired at a

4136
02:36:10,529 --> 02:36:08,739
radio station I was working at this is

4137
02:36:11,819 --> 02:36:10,539
like I said going back to the mid to

4138
02:36:13,769 --> 02:36:11,829
late 1970s

4139
02:36:15,750 --> 02:36:13,779
I ain't a feud a number of people like I

4140
02:36:18,120 --> 02:36:15,760
interviewed major Donald Kehoe and

4141
02:36:20,429 --> 02:36:18,130
others the Keogh interview was by the

4142
02:36:22,620 --> 02:36:20,439
way published in one of those tabloid

4143
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,630
newspapers but it went out of business

4144
02:36:27,809 --> 02:36:24,880
before I ever got paid for it if I can

4145
02:36:29,819 --> 02:36:27,819
find the text I'll post it we want to

4146
02:36:32,939 --> 02:36:29,829
talk about ghost rockets and

4147
02:36:35,460 --> 02:36:32,949
specifically the theory from James

4148
02:36:37,290 --> 02:36:35,470
carrion about the Roseto deception and

4149
02:36:39,479 --> 02:36:37,300
we have no more time we have questions

4150
02:36:41,370 --> 02:36:39,489
from our listeners no more time as you

4151
02:36:44,399 --> 02:36:41,380
know Michael we have a second radio show

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4155
02:36:52,889 --> 02:36:51,430
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4156
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:52,899
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4157
02:36:56,340 --> 02:36:54,490
and I definitely want to talk

4158
02:36:58,050 --> 02:36:56,350
James Carrion's interpretation I don't

4159
02:36:59,910 --> 02:36:58,060
really think it's that different from

4160
02:37:01,230 --> 02:36:59,920
mine in truth I think a few people after

4161
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,240
hearing him on your show who thought and

4162
02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:03,280
felt that way I don't find all that much

4163
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of a difference but it's got to be

4164
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4168
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Hanks where can they find more of your

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4170
02:37:19,320 --> 02:37:17,800
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